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#1 User is offline   dboxley 

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Posted 2016-April-28, 04:34

IMPs, Both Vul,
15-17, 4 suit xfers w/super accept (immediate 3C response would be Puppet), no other special agreements , opponents pass throughout.



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1NT

You
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I will update the bidding as we go along.
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Posted 2016-April-28, 05:58

With tons of potential places to play--3n KQx QJTx KQJ Kxx all the way to 7m Axx Axx KQ Kxxxx it seems best to start slow and check first for 3n and if that does not look feasible then proceed with how high in the minors. My initial vote is for
2s transfer to clubs
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Posted 2016-April-28, 06:08

View Postgszes, on 2016-April-28, 05:58, said:

With tons of potential places to play--3n KQx QJTx KQJ Kxx all the way to 7m Axx Axx KQ Kxxxx it seems best to start slow and check first for 3n and if that does not look feasible then proceed with how high in the minors. My initial vote is for
2s transfer to clubs

Given that the only feasible alternative I can think of is 2 I would not call that "starting slow". On the other hand I would expect an overwelming vote for it given the lack of good options. The LOLs start with 3! :blink:
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Posted 2016-April-28, 06:24

Torn between 2 and an immediate 3N

I'll go with 2
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Posted 2016-April-28, 06:48

View Postdboxley, on 2016-April-28, 04:34, said:

IMPs, Both Vul,
15-17, 4 suit xfers w/super accept (immediate 3C response would be Puppet), no other special agreements , opponents pass throughout.



Partner
1NT
2NT

You
2S
?

I will update the bidding as we go along.





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Posted 2016-April-28, 07:03

View PostZelandakh, on 2016-April-28, 06:08, said:

Given that the only feasible alternative I can think of is 2 I would not call that "starting slow". On the other hand I would expect an overwelming vote for it given the lack of good options. The LOLs start with 3! :blink:


As stated, 3C would be puppet, I was trying to eliminate the 3C response.
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Posted 2016-April-28, 07:38

View Postdboxley, on 2016-April-28, 04:34, said:

IMPS. 15-17, 4 suit xfers w/super accept (immediate 3C response would be Puppet), no other special agreements , opponents pass throughout.

I rank
2 = TRF. A minor game/slam may be safer than 3N.
3N = S/O. Likely make. No leakage. Honours in short suits.

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Posted 2016-April-28, 10:26

2 if that is the transfer to clubs.
2 if that is minor suit stayman.
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Posted 2016-April-28, 11:57

1. I'd start by showing the minors either with 2S or 3D
2. I'd show the heart shortness.
3. I'd pull 3N to 4C showing extra length.
4. I'd give up over 4N
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Posted 2016-April-28, 13:02

2 transfer to 3 to start.
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Posted 2016-April-28, 13:12

Transfer to C. If partner "super-accepts" by bidding 2NT (Hxx fit and quick tricks on the side so that if I transfered with HHxxxx I can try 3NT) we are on a good way.

Then I'm torn between 3D natural and game forcing but it shows 55 for us with usually more concentrated values in minors, or 3S (singleton H) but it is a K. I'll try 3D hoping partner doesn't fit me too violently because ar least it conveys the message a major singl.
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Posted 2016-April-28, 13:46

I would bid 3NT at MPs and let them missguess the lead. At IMPs I don't think this is best, but it could be the winner as well.

I would show both minors if possible, or clubs + heart short otherwise.
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Posted 2016-April-29, 00:30

1N 2
2N 3
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Posted 2016-April-29, 01:41

The only contract worth considering is 3NT so bid it without fiddle faddle and
without telling the opposition what to lead. :)
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Posted 2016-April-29, 02:12

View PostPhilG007, on 2016-April-29, 01:41, said:

The only contract worth considering is 3NT so bid it without fiddle faddle and
without telling the opposition what to lead. :)


dear oh dear partner can have very boring hands where 6 or even 7 of a minor are just laydown :rolleyes:
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Posted 2016-April-29, 04:35

View Postapollo1201, on 2016-April-28, 13:12, said:

Transfer to C. If partner "super-accepts" by bidding 2NT


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Posted 2016-April-29, 06:39

View Posteagles123, on 2016-April-29, 02:12, said:

dear oh dear partner can have very boring hands where 6 or even 7 of a minor are just laydown :rolleyes:

A minor suit slam is by no means guaranteed. Partner's hand could be :-

The best chance is 3NT A minor suit slam would not only be spurious but folly.
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Posted 2016-April-29, 06:58

I don't see much point is playing four suit transfers if you don't use it on hands like this. So put me down for 2S. I'll follow up with 3D, whatever partner's response.

As another has indicated, it is best to play 3C by opener as showing a fit and 2NT as denying.
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Posted 2016-April-29, 07:11

View PostPhilG007, on 2016-April-29, 06:39, said:

A minor suit slam is by no means guaranteed. Partner's hand could be :-

The OP has not yet explained the available methods in full but most pairs will have a way of separating out this hand from some other more suitable ones. Slam is by no means guaranteed, nor is it certain that it is best. At the same time, 3NT might be hopeless with 5m easy. Most of us are assuming that we have enough system available for our side to make a more informed decision by exchanging information than we can after just the opening bid. It might be that your methods cannot make such a distinction, in which case you are right, you just have to guess.
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Posted 2016-April-29, 07:16

View PostPhilG007, on 2016-April-29, 06:39, said:

A minor suit slam is by no means guaranteed. Partner's hand could be :-

The best chance is 3NT A minor suit slam would not only be spurious but folly.


On the hand you give, 6 is a fine contract assuming you mean J9 (the 10 is in the other hand), needing a 3-2 trump break with one of the honours onside or KQxx or stiff K or Q onside.

Meanwhile partner can have:

Axxx
Axx
Kx
Kxxx

Where 7 requires only a 2-1 club break

Transfer first then see what happens. I'm glad I'm able to show both minors playing what I play, although hands like Ax, AQJx, xxxx, KQx need to be played in clubs despite the 4-4 diamond fit.
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