[myfish]

hi,playing sayc

Scoring: IMP

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what will you open and respond?
for open 1♣,what would you bid after p's respond?
a) 1♥
b 1♠
c) 1NT

for open 1NT(15-17),what would you bid after your pd's 3NT and an X by opps?

for open 1♦,what would you do after 1♥ from p?

thx all for the comment

[jtfanclub]

myfish, on Oct 15 2004, 11:21 PM, said:

a) 1♥
b  1♠
c) 1NT

a) 2NT, which shows exactly three card support.
If I'm playing fit showing jumps instead, I bid 3♦.
b ) 2♦
c) 3NT


Obviously, I consider my hand pretty darn strong. Maybe I shouldn't.

[the hog]

2H
1N
2N

Hands with singleton aces are nowhere near as good as if the ace is in a long suit.

[whereagles]

I open 1C. Some like to open 1D on these hands, but I prefer 1C. I'd bid then

1C 1H
2C (unless you have an agreement to raise on 3 cards)

1C 1S
2C

1C 1NT
2D (worth a reverse opposite a club fit that is certain)

[Fluffy]

a,b,c : 2♦, I would open 1♦ if I didn´t judge my hand worht a reverse. So be consitent with your precious choice.

1♦-1♥
2♣.

If you judged your hand to be a weak 2 suiter bid it like it.

1Nt-pass-3NT-X
Pass.

I never guess this ones, but I am quite happy with the contract.

[Free]

sayc tells you to open 1♣. If you don't, you don't play sayc...

After 1♥: 2♥
After 1♠: 1NT
After 1NT: pass

[EricK]

I open 1♣

I raise ♥, rebid 1NT over 1♠, and rebid 2♣ over 1NT

Eric

[luke warm]

i open 1d and rebid 2c...

[jtfanclub]

Free, on Oct 16 2004, 06:42 AM, said:

sayc tells you to open 1♣. If you don't, you don't play sayc...

After 1NT: pass

Because you think your opponents, with a nine card spade fit, are going to let you play there? We have either two 8 card fits or a nine card fit ourselves.

I see two very strong possibilities for this hand after my partner denies four spades:

1. We make 3NT.

2. They make 3♠.

The opponents were kind enough to pass even though they have at least 16 cards in the majors. They aren't going to pass a second time. Bid 2NT or 3♣ if you're chicken, but don't let them find their spade fit.

[the hog]

JT you lok through the back of the cards with rose covered glasses.

I see two very strong possibilities for this hand after my partner denies four spades:

1. We make 3NT.

2. They make 3♠.

Is not
QJx
Jxx
Qxxx
xxx
a 1N response. Where is your 3N coming from. And note the opponents are definitely not a lock for 9 tricks in S.

[hrothgar]

I'm happy to open a 15-17 1NT with this hand
right strength, and a stiff ace doesn't worry me much

I'll sit for the double
Not much choice

[jtfanclub]

The_Hog, on Oct 16 2004, 04:48 PM, said:

Is not
QJx
Jxx
Qxxx
xxx
a 1N response.

God God no.

When you start responding with 11 loser hands to non-forcing openings, it's time to pause and and reflect.

BTW by my count, between the awful shape, no four card majors, the worst possible holding in partner's suit, and the complete lack of controls, this hand is worth between 2 and 3 hcp. I'm not even sure it's worth a 3NT response to a 20hcp 2NT opening. Maybe if it had some tens...

[the hog]

No??? Hmmm I think you will find most would. I certainly would.
Incidentally you don't use LTC in a NT contract.

[jtfanclub]

The_Hog, on Oct 16 2004, 05:20 PM, said:

No??? Hmmm I think you will find most would. I certainly would.
Incidentally you don't use LTC in a NT contract.

I was evaluating in comparison to the 1♣ opening... but....

I think that's worthy of another thread.

[jdulmage]

myfish, on Oct 15 2004, 11:21 PM, said:

hi,playing sayc

Dealer: South Vul: ???? Scoring: IMP

♠ A ♥ Kxx ♦ Kxxx ♣ AJ963

what will you open and respond?
for open 1♣,what would you bid after p's respond?
a) 1♥
b  1♠
c) 1NT

for open 1NT(15-17),what would you bid after your pd's 3NT and an X by opps?

for open 1♦,what would you do after 1♥ from p?

thx all for the comment 

After 1♣:

a) I would bid 2♥, playing in no trump is NOT going to happen unless partner happens to have 3 spades to the KJx or something.

B - Bid 1NT, I don't like it, but what can you do, 2♦ is a reverse and 2♣ is flat out lying.

c) Believe it or not, I am tempted to pass. Partner has denied a 4 card suit, so he has less than 3 or less spades and I have a singleton. Surely in no trump, they will attack the spades so unless I can pick up 8 tricks in the minors and my ace of spades in time to hold the fort, I am toast. PASS on a good day, 2NT on a bad day.


For 1NT:

I would most likely bid 4♣, for the same reason as my "c)" answer. They must have a pile of spades and outside entries to boot. I'm going to get destroyed.


For 1♦ open:

I would bid 2♣, easily, I now have room to show both minors.

[Free]

jtfanclub, on Oct 16 2004, 10:41 PM, said:

Because you think your opponents, with a nine card spade fit, are going to let you play there?  We have either two 8 card fits or a nine card fit ourselves. 

I see two very strong possibilities for this hand after my partner denies four spades:

1.  We make 3NT.

2.  They make 3♠.

The opponents were kind enough to pass even though they have at least 16 cards in the majors.  They aren't going to pass a second time.  Bid 2NT or 3♣ if you're chicken, but don't let them find their spade fit.

First of all, I don't think they'll pass, but just give them a chance ok?
Second, 3NT is VERY VERY VERY FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR AWAAAAAAAAAAAY!
Third, 3♠ might make, ok, but howcome none of them bid ♠s in the first round anyway??? Why will they bid them now?

My advice: Take off your rose glasses!

[jtfanclub]

Free, on Oct 17 2004, 02:40 PM, said:

Third, 3♠ might make, ok, but howcome none of them bid ♠s in the first round anyway??? Why will they bid them now?

The two big reasons I can think of are:

1) An X over 1NT isn't takeout in their system.

2) Your partner has a max, so you have game and they don't have the points to bid.

What reasons do you have?

[junyi_zhu]

myfish, on Oct 16 2004, 04:21 AM, said:

hi,playing sayc

Scoring: IMP

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what will you open and respond?
for open 1♣,what would you bid after p's respond?
a) 1♥
b 1♠
c) 1NT

for open 1NT(15-17),what would you bid after your pd's 3NT and an X by opps?

for open 1♦,what would you do after 1♥ from p?

thx all for the comment

you don't have much choice here, just rebid 2C in all three situations. I don't like 2C, but 2C is the lest of evil. 1NT is an underbid and parter may pass your 1NT with 10 or bad 11 which you really want to play a game. 2H over 1H is no good either, because partner would pass with flat 10 counts and 4 hearts which you'd like to play 3NT, for example: SKxx HAxxx Dxxx CKxx, if you bid 2C at least you'd hear a 3C raise from partner. Over 1NT, you should pull it to 2C and partner can cuebid at two level with club support, maximum and values in that suit or pass it with a minimum hand.

[HeartA]

Agree with Junyi. 2C is my only choice whether partner responds 1H, 1S or 1N.

[pclayton]

I'm with Richard; open it 1N. One problem to worry about; many other problems solved. No reason to run if it gets doubled; would I feel any better if my spades were Ax?