[junyi_zhu]

pclayton, on Oct 19 2004, 01:35 AM, said:

I'm with Richard; open it 1N. One problem to worry about; many other problems solved. No reason to run if it gets doubled; would I feel any better if my spades were Ax?

1NT is not bad for MP. For IMP, it's a little bit risky because 5-4-3-1 is really a suit oriented shape, you may easily bury your minor suits when 5m or 6m are cold and 3NT has no good play.

[Flame]

jtfanclub, on Oct 16 2004, 04:41 PM, said:

Free, on Oct 16 2004, 06:42 AM, said:

sayc tells you to open 1♣.  If you don't, you don't play sayc...

After 1NT: pass

Because you think your opponents, with a nine card spade fit, are going to let you play there? We have either two 8 card fits or a nine card fit ourselves.

I see two very strong possibilities for this hand after my partner denies four spades:

1. We make 3NT.

2. They make 3♠.

The opponents were kind enough to pass even though they have at least 16 cards in the majors. They aren't going to pass a second time. Bid 2NT or 3♣ if you're chicken, but don't let them find their spade fit.

They have a spade fit, but im not sure we can do much about it.
2nt and 3c are both asking partner to bid 3nt with a good hand.
2c might even help them to get to there spade.
bidding 2nt and 3c as partly a save bid (you hope to make but know you will go down most of the time and hope even then you have a good score) is a nice idea, but i think i would choose to pass 1nt and then compete the hand to 3c and let them buy it in 3sp.

[Flame]

1NT look nice but with my luck partner will definetly have 6 card spade suit and we will play in 4sp on 6-1. the good thing is this might just be the right contract.

[HeartA]

Flame, on Oct 18 2004, 10:13 PM, said:

1NT look nice but with my luck partner will definetly have 6 card spade suit and we will play in 4sp on 6-1. the good thing is this might just be the right contract.

Well, if your partner holds KQxxxx of spades, and is checking for slam with RKC, he wouldn't expect any losers in spades. Or if he has Kxxxxx or QTxxxx, he expects one loser only. ......

[pclayton]

You have to make a philosophical decision if you are going to open this genre of hands with 1N: stiff honor, right point count, hellish rebid. If you do, then you will accept the occasional silly result about playing the 5-1 2♠ contract, or the hopeless 3N when you can't control the spade suit.

OTOH, not opening the hand 1N will lead to silly results as well. You will frequently play in a 4-2 diamond fit or a 5-1 club fit. Nothing is perfect and no one can be 100% confident on this, unless they have a specific system to handle hands like this.

[HeartA]

pclayton, on Oct 19 2004, 06:07 PM, said:

You have to make a philosophical decision if you are going to open this genre of hands with 1N: stiff honor, right point count, hellish rebid. If you do, then you will accept the occasional silly result about playing the 5-1 2♠ contract, or the hopeless 3N when you can't control the spade suit.

OTOH, not opening the hand 1N will lead to silly results as well. You will frequently play in a 4-2 diamond fit or a 5-1 club fit. Nothing is perfect and no one can be 100% confident on this, unless they have a specific system to handle hands like this.

It depends on personal style in dealing with these kind of hands. And I agree that "Nothing is perfect and no one can be 100% confident on this". But I don't agree on two words you use here: "occasionally" and "frequently". I don't believe to play 5-1 club (or 4-2 diamond I don't open 1D anyway) if I open 1C (and rebid 2C), has higher probability than to play 5-1 spades (plus the chance you can't duck even a round when opp leads s) if you open 1N.

[pclayton]

HeartA, on Oct 19 2004, 04:15 PM, said:

pclayton, on Oct 19 2004, 06:07 PM, said:

You have to make a philosophical decision if you are going to open this genre of hands with 1N: stiff honor, right point count, hellish rebid. If you do, then you will accept the occasional silly result about playing the 5-1 2♠ contract, or the hopeless 3N when you can't control the spade suit.

OTOH, not opening the hand 1N will lead to silly results as well. You will frequently play in a 4-2 diamond fit or a 5-1 club fit. Nothing is perfect and no one can be 100% confident on this, unless they have a specific system to handle hands like this.

It depends on personal style in dealing with these kind of hands. And I agree that "Nothing is perfect and no one can be 100% confident on this". But I don't agree on two words you use here: "occasionally" and "frequently". I don't believe to play 5-1 club (or 4-2 diamond I don't open 1D anyway) if I open 1C (and rebid 2C), has higher probability than to play 5-1 spades (plus the chance you can't duck even a round when opp leads s) if you open 1N.

Fair enough, but a 2♠ contract might not be so bad; pard can get to my hand several times and score the small trump. An endplay of sorts usually arises too, since partners trumps are shortened.

OTOH, 2♣ on a 5-1 rates to play really poorly, since we won't have the same transportation to pard's hand.

[HeartA]

pclayton, on Oct 19 2004, 08:01 PM, said:

Fair enough, but a 2♠ contract might not be so bad; pard can get to my hand several times and score the small trump. An endplay of sorts usually arises too, since partners trumps are shortened.

OTOH, 2♣ on a 5-1 rates to play really poorly, since we won't have the same transportation to pard's hand.

You may stuck in dummy, and can't get to hand to draw trumps. And Opps might get chance to cross-ruff before you score your small trumps.

Also let's do the math. Assume I open 1C (not 1D, since I don't open 1D). I play 5-1 ♣ only if partner responds 1 major AND no intervension from opps AND partner's distribution is 4441 or 5431 AND singleton suit is club AND partner's HCP is 5-7 (any more AND?).

How about 5-1 in ♠? As long as partner got 5-card ♠ (except 5-5 in majors), and not strong enough to invite game (up to 7 HCP).

It is much more likely you end up in 5-1 ♠ if you open 1N than I end up in 5-1 ♣ if I open 1C and rebid 2C.

I haven't mentioned (have I?) that when partner has strength to invite game or slam, (s)he will mis-calculate your distribution, and set on the wrong or bad slam (holding ♠KQxxxx or QTxxxx or the like).

[lowerline]

a. 2♥
b. 2♣
c. pass

[myfish]

hi all,
i am interested to know if the hand is a little stronger(e.g ♦K becomes A and
the small ♣holding is more solid e.g AJ984) will it change your bid?

[Fluffy]

I already considered it a reverse with 15, so with 16 it woudl be the same, 1♣+2♦ rebid.