[mikeh]

Scoring: IMP

[P] P 1♥ P
1♠ P [P] x
2♠ P [P] x
[P] ?

LHO is agressive, neither team has been doing well. Partner is a WC expert

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[whereagles]

Pass. Seems like we got 2 tricks on defense and 0 on offense

[pclayton]

Pass. Weird auction, but I doubt pard is broke in spades. Maybe a monster 22(45)?

[Apollo81]

uhh 3♣? Partner's first pass suggests extreme spade shortness, he obv has a big hand so thats the only reason I can think of that he wouldnt double on round 1

[Echognome]

I think partner has a penalty double of 1♥. So 3♥ is tempting. Maybe 1♥ was a psych?

A bit of table feel might help, but I'll go with my gut and bid 3♥. At least if it's wrong, it's going to be horribly wrong!

[jdonn]

pclayton, on Mar 31 2008, 01:48 PM, said:

Pass. Weird auction, but I doubt pard is broke in spades. Maybe a monster 22(45)?

Strange, I am sure partner has to be short in spades, maybe even void. How could a monster 22(45) not have an overcall, 1NT bid, or double the first time? I put him on a strong 1444 or 0(544), so I bid 3♥. I think pass is absolute suicide since rho is probably void in hearts unless the opening bid was a psych. Partner's heart strength is a defensive mirage.

[whereagles]

Bar psyches, I'd place pard with something like this...

xx
xxx
AKQx
AQJx

Unless, of course, you'd overcall 1NT on it. (I would.)

[Fluffy]

I think partner has 1633, I bid 3 hearts.

[gwnn]

Fluffy, on Mar 31 2008, 09:59 PM, said:

I think partner has 1633, I bid 3 hearts.

wouldn't he bid 2♥ on that hand?

let's just pass for now.

[Fluffy]

gwnn, on Mar 31 2008, 08:04 PM, said:

Fluffy, on Mar 31 2008, 09:59 PM, said:

I think partner has 1633, I bid 3 hearts.

wouldn't he bid 2♥ on that hand?

I am not a fan of multi vs multi, this version you suggest of psycke vs psycke doesn't look much better.

[pclayton]

jdonn, on Mar 31 2008, 10:52 AM, said:

pclayton, on Mar 31 2008, 01:48 PM, said:

Pass. Weird auction, but I doubt pard is broke in spades. Maybe a monster 22(45)?

Strange, I am sure partner has to be short in spades, maybe even void. How could a monster 22(45) not have an overcall, 1NT bid, or double the first time? I put him on a strong 1444 or 0(544), so I bid 3♥. I think pass is absolute suicide since rho is probably void in hearts unless the opening bid was a psych. Partner's heart strength is a defensive mirage.

Thought pard doubled 1♥. Never mind.

1♥ sure smells fishy. 3♣ or even 3♥ if I know LHO is a joker.

[han]

I'd also bid 3H.

[mikeh]

gwnn, on Mar 31 2008, 03:04 PM, said:

Fluffy, on Mar 31 2008, 09:59 PM, said:

I think partner has 1633, I bid 3 hearts.

wouldn't he bid 2♥ on that hand?

let's just pass for now.

yes, he would.. at least, this partner would. You can forget all constructions with 6+ hearts in partner's hand

[mikeh]

Jlall, on Mar 31 2008, 03:55 PM, said:

Disagree with those who think partner has shown a trap pass.

Could pard bid this way with xx Qx AKxx AJxxx? How about x Axx AKxx Kxxxx? It seems unlikely partner would keep doubling if he had hearts unless he was 15(43) with a very good hand. Anyways, if you bid 3H and you're wrong you're completely screwed so I'd just bid 3C for survival purposes.

would you ever consider 2N instead of the second double with your example hands? Or would you need equal minors to do that? Or are you looking for a penalty enough times to double again?

[FrancesHinden]

Jlall's very convincing.
But I wonder if partner might have a strong 1444 and 3H is still our best spot. Part of this is style - does partner think it's right to overcall 1NT on a hand like that?

I can't face defending 2Sx, partner must have at most a singleton.

No-one has suggested 2NT yet. If partner thinks it's natural, that's not a disaster. If partner thinks it's scrambling, showing doubt about where to play, then that's not a disaster.

[jdonn]

FrancesHinden, on Mar 31 2008, 04:11 PM, said:

No-one has suggested 2NT yet. If partner thinks it's natural, that's not a disaster. If partner thinks it's scrambling, showing doubt about where to play, then that's not a disaster.

I considered it but given that I already believe partner has hearts I don't see how it can help, since it will get us to hearts only if partner bids 3♦, otherwise we miss them (say he is 1444).

Anything is still better than pass. Partner does not have two spades unless the opponents are really being weird since their normal minimum lengths are 3 and 5 for their actions.

[skjaeran]

Put me down for 3♥.

[FrancesHinden]

I gave this to my other half whose first comment was 'delightful'

He eventually bid 3H, although I half-convinced him that 2NT might be better - 2NT (scramble) works opposite 1345 and 1453 but loses opposite 1444.