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#1 User is offline   Shortstop 

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Posted 2018-April-07, 06:27

You hold Axxx
AKxx
AKxx
K

Assuming you don't open 2NT and you bid 1D and partner responds either 1H or 1S what is your rebid?

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Posted 2018-April-07, 07:22

4H or 4S looks normal.
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Posted 2018-April-07, 08:39

View Postsfi, on 2018-April-07, 07:22, said:

4H or 4S looks normal.

I might even be too strong for a splinter - let alone a fit at 4M. So over 1H, I bid a forcing 2S followed by 4H. Over 1S, 4C (some have a 3H bid for those hands btw, between the reverse and the splinter, when bidding space permits, for a super strong fit).
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Posted 2018-April-07, 09:00

I like a reverse, however you play it,

1 - 2 or 1 - 2 in my partnership

Usually followed by a jump to game in responders suit but over these we play 2nt starts weak/invitational sequences and a suit bid is a natural game force. If you are lucky enough to get a GF (doesn't need much in strength if shapely) slam is possible or even probable.
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Posted 2018-April-07, 11:01

For me, a 5-loser hand is not too strong for a splinter, but queens are the wrong kind of losers unless we are playing strict loser-count/cover-card type systems. 4441 strength is hard without a strong Roman bid available. Take a guess and go with that. I think all bids are equally reasonable and equally flawed at this point.

Me, I would splinter and then over the expected 4S sign off bid 5S - and get us too high. :P
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Posted 2018-April-07, 12:44

Easy/Auto splinter.
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Posted 2018-April-07, 13:10

View PostMrAce, on 2018-April-07, 12:44, said:

Easy/Auto splinter.


For now. What's next over the easy/auto 4 or 4 bid?
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Posted 2018-April-07, 13:14

We actually use 3N for this hand (really big 4441 with support) rather than its more usual meaning with a long minor.
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Posted 2018-April-07, 14:28

I'm with ggwhiz on this one. I like reversing with this hand, then jumping, if possible, in partner's suit. It should show a hand with shortness that is just too good to splinter.

Give responder something like KQxxx Qxx Qx xx and it's hard to move over a direct 4 S (or 4 H if you flip the majors). Neither will this hand move over a splinter which can be made on a decent 16-17. But after something like

1 - 1
2 - 2
4

responder will know opener's hand is either 4=3=5=1. 4=4=4=1, or 4=4=5=0 and very strong and might make a move.
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Posted 2018-April-07, 14:58

View Postggwhiz, on 2018-April-07, 09:00, said:

I like a reverse, however you play it,

1 - 2 or 1 - 2 in my partnership


I fully agree with the reverse in either suit, but no jumps on our side.
This is already a GF in our systems, so if partner does not jump to game slam investigation is both indicated and simple.
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Posted 2018-April-07, 16:00

In nearly all my partnerships, we play 1 - 1 - 3 as a round suit splinter (3 or 5 level force). After 1, there isn't as much room.

But honestly this hand isn't that sexy. I think we should content ourselves with 4 and give up after 4M.
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Posted 2018-April-07, 16:43

I just had this hand in a team match this aft.

Qxxx AKx J AKxxx opposite

Axxx xx AKxx Txx

We don't play splinters at all so it went 1 - 1 and I bid 2 considering too much potential for a jump to 4. When partner bid 3nt over that I bid 4. With the quite apparent diamond waste and a 4-1 spade split it was just in.

Just curious as to how others would bid it as our opponents got to slam -2 albeit after a 1 - 1 - 1 - 4 start which I doubt would be a consensus choice.

My main beef with splinters is making one owning all the outside cue bids where partner bids 4 almost auto.
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Posted 2018-April-07, 21:39

View Postggwhiz, on 2018-April-07, 16:43, said:

I just had this hand in a team match this aft.

Qxxx AKx J AKxxx opposite

Axxx xx AKxx Txx

We don't play splinters at all so it went 1 - 1 and I bid 2 considering too much potential for a jump to 4. When partner bid 3nt over that I bid 4. With the quite apparent diamond waste and a 4-1 spade split it was just in.

Just curious as to how others would bid it as our opponents got to slam -2 albeit after a 1 - 1 - 1 - 4 start which I doubt would be a consensus choice.

My main beef with splinters is making one owning all the outside cue bids where partner bids 4 almost auto.


I'd probably bid it the same as you.

By patterning out with a reverse, you spotlighted the problem and avoided the slam. By bidding 4 immediately, it makes responder's hand look pretty good for slam. If you still use splinters, then you can almost reserve them for hands with flaws in the suit you hold -- maybe something like KQJx QJx J AKxxx.
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Posted 2018-April-08, 05:45

View PostShortstop, on 2018-April-07, 06:27, said:

You hold Axxx
AKxx
AKxx
K

Assuming you don't open 2NT and you bid 1D and partner responds either 1H or 1S what is your rebid?

Thanks all


First of all I would never open NTs with a singleton regardless of pointage Until you know partner holds the Ace,the K might
just as well be a small one. If partner responds in a major suit, The hand is revalued as 20 points,the club king being valued as a
singleton i.e, 2 points so the rebid is either 4 or 4depending on which major partner bid.
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Posted 2018-April-08, 07:08

4C splinter. .shows 18+
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Posted 2018-April-08, 07:08

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Posted 2018-April-08, 09:52

The hand is the right power/shape for 4c and if we can assume responder is generally weak I think 4c is just right. The problem is that responder may very well downgrade a hand like KQxx (fixed from QJxx ty to cyber) xx xx QJTxx when 6s is a wonderful spot and that is with a WEAK hand what about strong ones where suddenly the AQxx of clubs no longer looks very good? I would go for the reverse concept as having a better chance of finding the right strain/level. Keeping the bidding lower can sometimes yield surprisingly good results.
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Posted 2018-April-08, 11:06

View Postgszes, on 2018-April-08, 09:52, said:

The hand is the right power/shape for 4c and if we can assume responder is generally weak I think 4c is just right. The problem is that responder may very well downgrade a hand like QJxx xx xx QJTxx when 6s is a wonderful spot and that is with a WEAK hand what about strong ones where suddenly the AQxx of clubs no longer looks very good? I would go for the reverse concept as having a better chance of finding the right strain/level. Keeping the bidding lower can sometimes yield surprisingly good results.


I think you misread the hand in the OP, 6 is no play opposite it.
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Posted 2018-April-08, 17:17

View Postggwhiz, on 2018-April-07, 13:10, said:

For now. What's next over the easy/auto 4 or 4 bid?


Partner won't necessarily bid 4 of his major. If he does, you pass. You've shown a game force with a stiff club and it's not like you have substantially more than that. The Kc isn't worth much more than a small stiff

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Posted 2018-April-08, 18:45

View PostCyberyeti, on 2018-April-08, 11:06, said:

I think you misread the hand in the OP, 6 is no play opposite it.

typing error supposed to be KQxx not QJxx ty
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