[Shortstop]

You hold Axxx
AKxx
AKxx
K

Assuming you don't open 2NT and you bid 1D and partner responds either 1H or 1S what is your rebid?

Thanks all

[sfi]

4H or 4S looks normal.

[apollo1201]

sfi, on 2018-April-07, 07:22, said:

4H or 4S looks normal.

I might even be too strong for a splinter - let alone a fit at 4M. So over 1H, I bid a forcing 2S followed by 4H. Over 1S, 4C (some have a 3H bid for those hands btw, between the reverse and the splinter, when bidding space permits, for a super strong fit).

[ggwhiz]

I like a reverse, however you play it,

1♥ - 2♠ or 1♠ - 2♥ in my partnership

Usually followed by a jump to game in responders suit but over these we play 2nt starts weak/invitational sequences and a suit bid is a natural game force. If you are lucky enough to get a GF (doesn't need much in strength if shapely) slam is possible or even probable.

[Winstonm]

For me, a 5-loser hand is not too strong for a splinter, but queens are the wrong kind of losers unless we are playing strict loser-count/cover-card type systems. 4441 strength is hard without a strong Roman bid available. Take a guess and go with that. I think all bids are equally reasonable and equally flawed at this point.

Me, I would splinter and then over the expected 4S sign off bid 5S - and get us too high.

[MrAce]

Easy/Auto splinter.

[ggwhiz]

MrAce, on 2018-April-07, 12:44, said:

Easy/Auto splinter.

For now. What's next over the easy/auto 4♥ or 4♠ bid?

[Cyberyeti]

We actually use 3N for this hand (really big 4441 with support) rather than its more usual meaning with a long minor.

[rmnka447]

I'm with ggwhiz on this one. I like reversing with this hand, then jumping, if possible, in partner's suit. It should show a hand with ♣ shortness that is just too good to splinter.

Give responder something like ♠ KQxxx ♥ Qxx ♦ Qx ♣ xx and it's hard to move over a direct 4 S (or 4 H if you flip the majors). Neither will this hand move over a splinter which can be made on a decent 16-17. But after something like

1 ♦ - 1 ♠
2 ♥ - 2 ♠
4 ♠

responder will know opener's hand is either 4=3=5=1. 4=4=4=1, or 4=4=5=0 and very strong and might make a move.

[pescetom]

ggwhiz, on 2018-April-07, 09:00, said:

I like a reverse, however you play it,

1♥ - 2♠ or 1♠ - 2♥ in my partnership

I fully agree with the reverse in either suit, but no jumps on our side.
This is already a GF in our systems, so if partner does not jump to game slam investigation is both indicated and simple.

[Phil]

In nearly all my partnerships, we play 1♦ - 1♠ - 3♥ as a round suit splinter (3 or 5 level force). After 1♥, there isn't as much room.

But honestly this hand isn't that sexy. I think we should content ourselves with 4♣ and give up after 4M.

[ggwhiz]

I just had this hand in a team match this aft.

♠Qxxx ♥AKx ♦J ♣AKxxx opposite

♠Axxx ♥xx ♦AKxx ♣Txx

We don't play splinters at all so it went 1♣ - 1♠ and I bid 2♥ considering too much potential for a jump to 4♠. When partner bid 3nt over that I bid 4♠. With the quite apparent diamond waste and a 4-1 spade split it was just in.

Just curious as to how others would bid it as our opponents got to slam -2 albeit after a 1♣ - 1♦ - 1♠ - 4♠ start which I doubt would be a consensus choice.

My main beef with splinters is making one owning all the outside cue bids where partner bids 4♠ almost auto.

[rmnka447]

ggwhiz, on 2018-April-07, 16:43, said:

I just had this hand in a team match this aft.

♠Qxxx ♥AKx ♦J ♣AKxxx opposite

♠Axxx ♥xx ♦AKxx ♣Txx

We don't play splinters at all so it went 1♣ - 1♠ and I bid 2♥ considering too much potential for a jump to 4♠. When partner bid 3nt over that I bid 4♠. With the quite apparent diamond waste and a 4-1 spade split it was just in.

Just curious as to how others would bid it as our opponents got to slam -2 albeit after a 1♣ - 1♦ - 1♠ - 4♠ start which I doubt would be a consensus choice.

My main beef with splinters is making one owning all the outside cue bids where partner bids 4♠ almost auto.

I'd probably bid it the same as you.

By patterning out with a reverse, you spotlighted the problem and avoided the slam. By bidding 4 ♠ immediately, it makes responder's hand look pretty good for slam. If you still use splinters, then you can almost reserve them for hands with flaws in the suit you hold -- maybe something like ♠ KQJx ♥ QJx ♦ J ♣ AKxxx.

[PhilG007]

Shortstop, on 2018-April-07, 06:27, said:

You hold Axxx
AKxx
AKxx
K

Assuming you don't open 2NT and you bid 1D and partner responds either 1H or 1S what is your rebid?

Thanks all

First of all I would never open NTs with a singleton regardless of pointage Until you know partner holds the Ace,the K♣ might
just as well be a small one. If partner responds in a major suit, The hand is revalued as 20 points,the club king being valued as a
singleton i.e, 2 points so the rebid is either 4♥ or 4♠depending on which major partner bid.

[xbabarx]

4C splinter. .shows 18+

[xbabarx]

..

[gszes]

The hand is the right power/shape for 4c and if we can assume responder is generally weak I think 4c is just right. The problem is that responder may very well downgrade a hand like KQxx (fixed from QJxx ty to cyber) xx xx QJTxx when 6s is a wonderful spot and that is with a WEAK hand what about strong ones where suddenly the AQxx of clubs no longer looks very good? I would go for the reverse concept as having a better chance of finding the right strain/level. Keeping the bidding lower can sometimes yield surprisingly good results.

[Cyberyeti]

gszes, on 2018-April-08, 09:52, said:

The hand is the right power/shape for 4c and if we can assume responder is generally weak I think 4c is just right. The problem is that responder may very well downgrade a hand like QJxx xx xx QJTxx when 6s is a wonderful spot and that is with a WEAK hand what about strong ones where suddenly the AQxx of clubs no longer looks very good? I would go for the reverse concept as having a better chance of finding the right strain/level. Keeping the bidding lower can sometimes yield surprisingly good results.

I think you misread the hand in the OP, 6♠ is no play opposite it.

[miamijd]

ggwhiz, on 2018-April-07, 13:10, said:

For now. What's next over the easy/auto 4♥ or 4♠ bid?

Partner won't necessarily bid 4 of his major. If he does, you pass. You've shown a game force with a stiff club and it's not like you have substantially more than that. The Kc isn't worth much more than a small stiff

Cheers
Mike

[gszes]

Cyberyeti, on 2018-April-08, 11:06, said:

I think you misread the hand in the OP, 6♠ is no play opposite it.

typing error supposed to be KQxx not QJxx ty