[Fluffy]

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[wanoff]

East needs to be a little more courteous.

[bigbenvic]

 wanoff, on 2015-November-29, 17:05, said:

East needs to be a little more courteous.

LOL.

I don't play strong jump shifts here (prefer 3♣ from opener as splinter agreeing ♥) so 2♣ is forcing. Even playing 2♣ as non forcing 5 trumps a singleton and a doubleton makes this on shape alone worth a kick to 3♣

Not sure how the bidding goes after 3♣ but you at least get to game.

[Cyberyeti]

1♦-1♥
2♣-3♣ is beyond obvious, blame 100%E

Playing standardish methods I would continue:

3♠-4♣
4♦-4♠(bypassing hearts so now you can blackwood with no ambiguity)
4N-5♦(1/4)
5♥(Q ?)

and now it's simply a question of whether E shows the Q holding a 5th one which I don't think he should so you stop in 6

(we play 2♣ forcing if you had a 1♥ bid, which with the 5th club you certainly do once partner bids them and the auction would develop somewhat differently due to 4♦ being kickback)

[billw55]

This one is pretty obvious. Fluffy certainly knows the answer, wonder why he posted it.

[steve2005]

Obviously E was the Walrus came up with his point count and passed.

[neilkaz]

 steve2005, on 2015-November-30, 13:07, said:

Obviously E was the Walrus came up with his point count and passed.

With 5 card support and this distribution, someone might refer to him as a different animal.

[Jinksy]

Are E/W playing Gazzilli? That's the only reason I can think of for W to have bid differently (though he probably still wouldn't).

[Fluffy]

I asked some international players/teachers in my area, they as me expect a 3♣ raise to be 9-11, perhaps with a good 8, but never to be heard with a 6 count. Seems that all players in my area are away from standard

[Jinksy]

I don't think E's decision is nearly as clear as people in this thread are making out (presumably P nrmally bids 3N with a 2254 15 count and a spade stop?). But if anyone's going to do more bidding, it's him, so it seems like a weird atb.

[Cyberyeti]

 Jinksy, on 2015-December-01, 03:16, said:

I don't think E's decision is nearly as clear as people in this thread are making out (presumably P nrmally bids 3N with a 2254 15 count and a spade stop?). But if anyone's going to do more bidding, it's him, so it seems like a weird atb.

He opened 1N with that

[billw55]

 Fluffy, on 2015-December-01, 03:07, said:

I asked some international players/teachers in my area, they as me expect a 3♣ raise to be 9-11, perhaps with a good 8, but never to be heard with a 6 count. Seems that all players in my area are away from standard

Point counters.

[bigbenvic]

 billw55, on 2015-December-01, 08:38, said:

Point counters.

Even point counters should call this an 8 count, 4 for the Ace, 3 for the singleton and 1 for the doubleton. That's 8 with 5 card support. Even if pards is capable of being cheeky with only 3 ♣ I still raise, without any qualms whatsoever.

[Jinksy]

 Cyberyeti, on 2015-December-01, 04:54, said:

He opened 1N with that

If you open 1N with Kx xx AQxxx KQJx, I hope your system card notes that you open all 22(45) and presumably all (24)(25) hands 1N. Last I heard it wasn't 'expert standard' to do so with a small doubleton, good long suits and an easy rebid.

[Cyberyeti]

 Jinksy, on 2015-December-02, 05:27, said:

If you open 1N with Kx xx AQxxx KQJx, I hope your system card notes that you open all 22(45) and presumably all (24)(25) hands 1N. Last I heard it wasn't 'expert standard' to do so with a small doubleton, good long suits and an easy rebid.

I don't but I play a weak NT. My experience suggests that this is done more often with a strong no trump although I'm not sure why, maybe because you're more likely to have both majors stopped and also because Acol instinctively treats 5422s as unbalanced while US systems don't so much. We rarely open 5422s 1N but when we do it tends to be 22(54)s and our system doesn't cater for this in any way, it assumes at least one 3 card major.

[WesleyC]

I'll join the "3C is automatic" camp.

On the auction, partner will usually hold a spade fragment (and hence very short hearts) so all of our values are well placed and game prospects are excellent. Opposite a minimum hand with some extra distribution such as: [KJx --- Axxxx KQxxx], and the opponents will probably need to lead a diamond to beat 6 clubs!

Another point in favour of bidding that no-one has mentioned is that if we pass, the bidding isn't over. Unless partner has some serious values, the opponents will almost always have a profitable partscore in spades. If South is sitting on decent hand with a heart stack and no convenient way to enter the auction they could easily be making game. Even if 3c leads to a negative score, it might be turn out to be a very cheap 'advanced sacrifice'.

[Jinksy]

If neither opponent could find a 1♠ overcall, it's not going to be trivial for them to enter the non-fit auction at the two level. We could still have 7 spades between us, a misfit and c26HCP for all either opp knows.

I would prob bid, tbh. I just think if W held the hand I gave above, and 3N: ATB was the thread, we know who'd be getting the blame.

[gszes]

I am a tad surprised to see so many 3c bidders. IMHO the best bid would appear to be 4c. Big trump fit and not a whole lot else and the type of hand that would make 3n a very low % chance opposite even a max 2c bid. 3c should have more stuff and 3n should not really be out of the picture opposite a max 2c bid.

[Mbodell]

 Jinksy, on 2015-December-02, 05:27, said:

If you open 1N with Kx xx AQxxx KQJx, I hope your system card notes that you open all 22(45) and presumably all (24)(25) hands 1N. Last I heard it wasn't 'expert standard' to do so with a small doubleton, good long suits and an easy rebid.

A fair number of folks will, including me. You get nice negative inferences if you treat your balanced hands differently from those with stiffs. Plus it is usually a big win to bid 1nt on any excuse. You communicate a lot to partner, have good constructive auctions, are well placed in competition, and have effectively preempted the opponents.

[gnasher]

 Jinksy, on 2015-December-01, 03:16, said:

I don't think E's decision is nearly as clear as people in this thread are making out (presumably P nrmally bids 3N with a 2254 15 count and a spade stop?).

If it goes like that, East doesn't have to pass 3NT