[inquiry]

You hold

Scoring: IMP

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Bidding is,

South - 1H
North - 2C

You are playing 2/1 GF (and not a strong 1C bid where you hand is limited greatly by the 1H opening bid).

This is a fun hand to see how people treat this very routine hand differently, so those of you who don't mind, please discuss why you bid as you do.

[Free]

Isn't this a 2♥ rebid? 2♠ would be reverse, and it depends on how strong you consider reverses. I'm used to play them 15+ (so this hand qualifies) but standard you probably need more...

[Gerben47]

Isn't this a plain 2♠ rebid? This shows extra values but I have them.
With an unbalanced minimum I rebid 2♥.

The way I was tought this even playing 2/1 not GF this is a 2♠ bid but it seems this is not standard?

[daswallow]

I bid 2♠. Surely this is the right bid playing 2/1?

[luke warm]

i don't play 2s as necessarily a reverse, so i'd bid that... i *almost* voted for the flannery answer, but someone might come by here before they're awake, or in the evening after imbibing... and i didn't want to give whomever that might be an apoleptic fit (you know who you are heheh )

oh btw, i'd have really opened this 1s and expected to have a decent auction regardless of partner's hand

[whereagles]

Borderline between 2H or 2S. I prefer 2H 'cos I don't like the club singleton. Would bid 2S if I needed to stretch a bit.

[han]

I would bid 2S, this shows at least a king above a minimum in my partnerships. Since I would open on Q10xx AQxxx Axx x, I have enough here. If I wasn't good enough, I would bid 2D (showing a minimum hand, says nothing about diamonds).

[Chamaco]

2S would be a reverse, not necessarily based on hcp, but on losers (5-5.5 losers).
Here we have 6 losers (2.5 in spades, 1.5 hearts, 1 diamonds, 1 club), which qualifies for a non minimum opener but still a normal opener.

Additional minuses:

1) I have a singleton in pard suit
2) Spade suit not great quality


For all of the above i rebid 2H, waiting, which does not guarantee/exclude extra strength nor extra length in hearts.

[han]

btw, I voted "not a reverse how I play", but since it does show extras, the right option wasn't available.

[sceptic]

I voted for 2spade rebid,

I think think this hand is worth an extra few points, also I think that it conveys the state of your hand better,

After another possiblle club bid, you have a 3rd suit to bid, definately worth stretching to a reverse bid in my opinion

[HeartA]

After 2/1 (even SAYC), I don't play reverse anymore. What is the purpose of reversing? It forces partner to bid again (hand is strong, of course). Here partner will not pass (after 2/1), it's a good idea to bid whatever (suit, distribution etc) you have.

[whereagles]

The purpose of reversing after a 2/1 is to be able to show whether you're in the 11-15 or 16-20 zone. It's not a useless complication because shape isn't everything. HCP counts too.

[luke warm]

with one more heart, this would be on the cusp of a jump to 3h over 2c... that means it's more than a minimum, in this case barely more... however, it does have a good zar count

the biggest danger in reversing is having a hard time turning partner off, assuming you even want to... however, since i don't play this as a reverse (even if i should), i don't have that problem...besides, like i said earlier i'd open 1s in the first place

[pclayton]

2♠ - in a 2/1 auctions, promises about a King more than a mininimum; hey cool - thats what I got . Over 2N, 3♦. Over 3♣ (now GF), 3N. Over 3♥ and 3♠, 4♦. Pass 4♥ and 4♠.

Not the already over-burdened 2♥, and not a misdescriptive 2♦. 2N on a 4531 is not appealing either, but is my second choice because 80% of the time we'll play it there and I want to protect my Q-10.

[jtfanclub]

Chamaco, on Nov 4 2004, 10:39 AM, said:

Here we have 6 losers (2.5 in spades, 1.5 hearts, 1 diamonds, 1 club), which qualifies for a non minimum opener but still a normal opener.

When I opened the hand, I considered it worth 6 losers. After my partner did a GF, I consider it worth 5 losers. Partner is odds-on to have an honor in each major, and how would he know that, say the Jx in spades was worth anything?

[mike777]

Easy 2s bid in my style of 2/1. Given choice prefer shape over HCP showing here.

Please note definitions are very important!

HERE IS BRIDGE ENCYCLOPEDIA 6TH EDITION DEFINITION:

AN UNFORCED REBID AT THE LEVEL OF TWO OR MORE IN A HIGHER RANKING SUIT THAN THAT BID ORIGINALLY-USUALLY A STRENGTH-SHOWING BID(NOT 100%).

I notice in this thread and in many others the issue of the full definition of reverses.
Please note 2 things.
1) yes this is a reverse by definition 100%.
2) Not all reverses show extra strength by definition. ( OFTEN BUT NOT 100%).

Of course in your system it may be 100% strength showing but that is a matter of partnership agreement not definition.

[nikos59]

Can't answer the poll, because no option is right.
I bid 2S but I don't consider this to be "light"
nor "how I play".
2S is a reverse and it does show some extras
even after a 2/1 GF. This hand has more than
some extras.

nikos

[HeartA]

When we know that the combined hands have a game, it is VERY important to find a fit first. Either side with more than minimum then can show interest in slam. Even without ♦K or ♥Q, I would still rebid 2S.

[Cowology]

In my regular partnership we play that 2S here does not neccesarily promise additional values so that would be my bid. Without this agreement I would bid 2H.

[helene_t]

According to Hardy this is a 2♠ which does not show extras unless you play Flannery.

In Lawrence's method it does show extras but I think this hand is good enough. The reason why it shows extras is that because in Lawrence's method (at least, in his original method) a 2/1 is not a GF but a reverse would be a GF. This hand is good enough for a GF and therefore (I think) good enough for a reverse.

In this respect I follow Hardy with my tuesday pd and Lawrence with my wednesday pd.