[mikegill]

Scoring: IMP

1N ?

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This hand was from a GNT A knockout, opponents are about average for the field if that matters to you.

[Gerben42]

2NT for me.

[jtfanclub]

I guess I'm the only one who would do it red....

[whereagles]

I take it OPPS opened 1NT.

Anyway, I pass. Can't fight majors with minors.

[mike777]

If I play 2c=clubs and another I bid at any vul.

At this vul I could have a far worse hand for 2clubs now!

[mikegill]

Yes, I think you would get nearly unanimous agreement for bidding 2♣ if it were clubs and another suit. Unfortunately, that was not an option at the table so you're stuck with 2n or pass.

[kenrexford]

2NT for me.

As an aside, a sharing moment. 1NT-2NT-? I have now convinced one partner to treat this as akin to 2NT-P-? 3♣ Puppet; transfers; 3♠ for 5♠/4♥; Texaqs on. Something to consider. You can also do the same thing after 1NT-3♣-?, with the X being "Stolen Puppet."

[kenrexford]

jtfanclub, on Apr 8 2008, 11:37 AM, said:

I guess I'm the only one who would do it red....

I'll join you...which may confirm the paranthetical for you.

[cherdano]

Wow, 2N with 2 baad suits??

[mikeh]

I pass

2N shows, for me, a desire to save over 4 Major. White v white, this hand doesn't (quite) measure up. And, on the flip side, it should be able to avoid disaster opposite a mediocre hand.. and this doesn't measure up to that standard either.

And, in the meantime, if the opps play the hand (and they rate to), my 2N is going to make my hand an open book to a reasonably competent declarer.

While Flt A of the GNT may is not the Championship Flight, I would expect most of the declarers at that level to be able to draw the appropriate inferences should I bid.

And most of the opps at this level should be able to bid reasonably well over my 2N. In Flight C, for example, 2N might throw them for a loop... how do they stayman, are transfer on, what does double mean, etc.

[jdonn]

I would pass at any vul over 1NT. The suits look a hair too decrepid for me to take the huge risk of helping declarer play the hand well. I pretty much agree with Mike.

[Apollo81]

cherdano, on Apr 8 2008, 04:20 PM, said:

Wow, 2N with 2 baad suits??

Did you mean:
                    _,._
                 __.'   _)
                <_,)'.-"a\
                  /' (        \          "Those suits are baa-aa-aa-d"
      _.-----..,-'   (`"--^
     //               |
    (|   `;      ,   |
      \   ;.----/  ,/
       ) // /   | |\ \
       \ \\`\  | |/ /
        \ \\  \ | |\ /
         `" `"  `"`

[Cascade]

Pass not really close for me. I need more distribution or better suits to be bidding here.

Bidding with crap is much more likely to help the opponents than my side. Especially at IMPs.

[brianshark]

I pass at all vulnerabilities. To be honest, I don't really believe some of the people who claim they'd bid 2N with this hand, especially vul. Either that or you really need to find opponents who know how to punish you for extravagant bidding like that.

[jtfanclub]

brianshark, on Apr 8 2008, 06:28 PM, said:

I pass at all vulnerabilities. To be honest, I don't really believe some of the people who claim they'd bid 2N with this hand, especially vul. Either that or you really need to find opponents who know how to punish you for extravagant bidding like that.

Well, that's the thing, isn't it? I'm judging that...

1) My opponents will tend to wronside the contract if I put a 2NT in there, and that my partner will find the killing lead if it's available. If partner has Qx of diamonds, for example, it's a two trick swing if I put in a 2NT call.

2) I don't mind if my partner wants to save with this hand.

Auction goes:

(1NT) 2NT (3♠) P
(4♠) -P- -P-

Would you seriously consider bidding 5♦ with the following?

xxx
xxx
QTxx
QJx

I wouldn't, and yet it's probably only down 2, a good save at equal vulnerability. Anything partner would actually save with is likely to be a very good save.

3) Am I worried that I might get punished at 3 of a minor? No, not with a 5-5. Odds are good that we'll have a fit, so we should be fine. If we have a fit and they don't have game, partner will have enough count that they can't afford to double.

Maybe with opps that have some kind of puppet-reverse-Stayman technique over 2NT, where they can rightside both 4-4 and 5-3 major suit fits, it isn't worth putting in the bid. But I really don't expect to get hurt on this one. Worst case, they get an extra trick because I've given them extra information.

[jdonn]

jtfanclub, on Apr 8 2008, 07:41 PM, said:

Worst case, they get an extra trick because I've given them extra information.

You gloss over this like it's not important. It's....big font coming....HUUUGE. You also seriously underestimate the penalty you could go for on the three level. Just how many tricks do you expect to take if partner is 2-2 in the minors?

[Apollo81]

I have another poll: let's say instead RHO had opened a major. Your call.

[neilkaz]

2N for me here at these colors, but if I'm Red I pass unless the suits are better.

Playing DONT I'd bid 2C if Red.

[Codo]

Mike put in that the hand is from a GNT A with above average opponents.

I have no idea how good his opponents in a GNT are.

But if I play in the open tourneys here, I would bid 2 NT against anybody I do not know and against some players I do know.

There are millions of players out there who have no idea how to handle interferences over their NT. So I will give it a chance.

Okay, now, if I face someone from this forum, I better pass, because they all have no problems to show one or two suiters in the majors at part score, game or slam level or to find the right time to double our 3 minor contract.

Well maybe I would still bid it against some posters.

I liked to play DONT, but I think if you bid 2 Clubs here, you DONT disturb opponents no trump, so I would still bid 2 NT or pass.

[FrancesHinden]

I would pass over 1NT at any vulnerability (I voted days ago before all these maniac bidders started posting).

I would pass over a 1M opening at any vulnerability as well.