[han]

You hold AJx AK9xx Kxxx x. You open 1H, hoping for a nice quite action, but no, LHO bids 2S. Partner makes a negative double, what is your call?

I was not playing G/B 2NT. Is there anybody who does play that convention in this particular auction?

[Double !]

Exception #1 to G-B 2NT per Bergen is "when 2NT must be natural and invitational." Not sure of this sequence fits that exception or not. But P said to bid a minor, so I actually hope I am showing a better hand by bidding 3 diamonds as opposed to visiting 2NT first. I can then bid 3NT if P asks for spade stopper and P will have a reasonable approximation of my strength and shape (I think...).

[mike777]

Hannie, on Aug 8 2005, 11:24 PM, said:

You hold AJx AK9xx Kxxx x. You open 1H, hoping for a nice quite action, but no, LHO bids 2S. Partner makes a negative double, what is your call?

I was not playing G/B 2NT. Is there anybody who does play that convention in this particular auction?

3D

Seems normal? I hope this is the hardest bidding problem I see over wjo.
I have 14 working hcp..well within the range of 3d rebid. Note no NFB of 3 of minor .

[han]

Problem I have with 3D is that you have a (likely double) spade stopper. Your most likely game is 3NT, and you may not get there over 3D.

I was tempted to bid 3NT, but settled with 2NT. Thoughts?

[the hog]

3D. Partner can bid 3S if interested in a NT game wtp?
I can live with 2NT.

[mike777]

Hannie, on Aug 9 2005, 01:04 AM, said:

Problem I have with 3D is that you have a (likely double) spade stopper. Your most likely game is 3NT, and you may not get there over 3D.

I was tempted to bid 3NT, but settled with 2NT. Thoughts?

Partner has asked you to bid a suit. You have an unbalanced hand.
You can still have 6d on this hand.

[the hog]

mike777, on Aug 9 2005, 05:07 PM, said:

Hannie, on Aug 9 2005, 01:04 AM, said:

Problem I have with 3D is that you have a (likely double) spade stopper. Your most likely game is 3NT, and you may not get there over 3D.

I was tempted to bid 3NT, but settled with 2NT. Thoughts?

Partner has asked you to bid a suit. You have an unbalanced hand.
You can still have 6d on this hand.
If partner wanted you to bid nt they can bid 2S not takeout x. Partner is an unpassed hand 2s does not promise 100% a fit.despite what forum says.

No. Most would play 2S as a cue raise.

[helene_t]

I think it makes sense to play G/B 2NT here in which case 3♦ should show these values. Otherwise I bid 3NT.

[flytoox]

Pd's dbl should show 9+, as we have to play in three level. I think I will bid 3N. I dont like 2N. If 3D shows more than min, I can live that. The problem is that without SA, I would bid 3D. So now I bid 3N.

[Fluffy]

I would probably bid 3NT, but the more I think of it the less I like it.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

3D.

I play G/B 2 NT or B/G 2 NT, the stronger hands go
through 2NT, but I have a normal opening bid, and
as long as I have not found a fit, I am not going to
make any encouraging noise.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

helene_t, on Aug 9 2005, 03:29 AM, said:

I think it makes sense to play G/B 2NT here in which case 3♦ should show these values. Otherwise I bid 3NT.

I think 3 NT is a huge overbid, afterall partner made only
a negative X, promising +8 HCP, so it is far from certain,
that you have a game on.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[flytoox]

helene_t, on Aug 9 2005, 08:29 AM, said:

I think it makes sense to play G/B 2NT here in which case 3♦ should show these values. Otherwise I bid 3NT.

I dont think you can afford to lose a natural 2N.

[flytoox]

P_Marlowe, on Aug 9 2005, 02:11 PM, said:

helene_t, on Aug 9 2005, 03:29 AM, said:

I think it makes sense to play G/B 2NT here in which case 3♦ should show these values. Otherwise I bid 3NT.

I think 3 NT is a huge overbid, afterall partner made only
a negative X, promising +8 HCP, so it is far from certain,
that you have a game on.

With kind regards
Marlowe

I think negative dbl should promise at least good 9 or 10. After all, you have to bid at three level.

[han]

Thanks for the replies.

I do think that the double should show 9+ points as you are foring to the 3-level, but with something like x xx AQJxxx Jxxx I would double too. My hand is therefore quite close to game, and I don't think that Fluffy's jump to game is silly at all.

At the table partner raised to 3NT and tabled Kx Qx Jxxx KQJ10x. We were playing matchpoints and I got a spade lead. Life is good.

[mikeh]

A lot of meat on this bone.

If mps, I bid 3♦. At imps I bid 4♦.

Mps rewards the plus score: if partner holds a poor hand, 2N may fail, and even if it makes, 3♦ may score 130. Plus, partner may be encouraged by the fit, should he hold moderate values and a long ♦ suit.

I would not have thought anyone played 2N here as good/bad (or bad/good).

What does one bid with AJx KQxxx Jxx Qx on the same sequence? Would anyone even mention that 2N was good/bad?

In my good/bad (or bad/good... slightly superior for technical reasons) partnerships, 2N is artificial only when double is available to show the big balanced hand.

Thus 1♦ (p) 1N (2♠) x is big, balanced, and 2N is artificial

Nor would I think that 3♦ shows any extras: what would you bid in response to the negative double with Jx KQxxx AQxx xx?

At imps, I would give up on 3N in the interest of showing my good hand... this is a potentially great hand in support of ♦.

[P_Marlowe]

Hannie, on Aug 9 2005, 10:23 AM, said:

Thanks for the replies.

I do think that the double should show 9+ points as you are foring to the 3-level, but with something like x xx AQJxxx Jxxx I would double too.

Hi,

if you are honest, you would also double with

x Jxxx AQJx xxxx

and there are other hands with Singleton Spade
and a 4 card heart suit with only 8HCP you will make
a neg. double on.
If not, you will loose very often to fight for the part
score, because most of the time, partner will not be
able to reopen the bidding.

Just be honest.
The hand above is better than a mere 8 count,
because it has shape, but shape does not help you,
if you are playing 3NT.

3 NT is an over bid and most of the time it will lead to
an hopeless game.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mikeh]

P_Marlowe, on Aug 9 2005, 10:41 AM, said:

if you are honest, you would also double with

x Jxxx AQJx xxxx

and there are other hands with Singleton Spade
and a 4 card heart suit with only 8HCP you will make
a neg. double.

My preference would be that you not make a negative double with 4 trump, regardless of how many ♠ you hold. If you are my partner, with a moderate hand and 4 cards in my major, please raise my suit!

You may bid 3♥ with a bad hand, and 4♥ with a good limit raise type of hand and 3♠ with a game-force hand. But please do not double!

[P_Marlowe]

mikeh, on Aug 9 2005, 10:52 AM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Aug 9 2005, 10:41 AM, said:

if you are honest, you would also double with

x Jxxx AQJx xxxx

and there are other hands with Singleton Spade
and a 4 card heart suit with only 8HCP you will make
a neg. double.

My preference would be that you not make a negative double with 4 trump, regardless of how many ♠ you hold. If you are my partner, with a moderate hand and 4 cards in my major, please raise my suit!

You may bid 3♥ with a bad hand, and 4♥ with a good limit raise type of hand and 3♠ with a game-force hand. But please do not double!

Hi,

of course you are right.

I forgot the 1H opening bid, I will never make
a neg. X, if I already know about a 9 card fit,
but change the 1H opening to 1C / 1D and my
claim that the neg. X does not show +9/10 HCP
is still valid.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[flytoox]

P_Marlowe, on Aug 9 2005, 03:41 PM, said:

if you are honest, you would also double with

x Jxxx AQJx xxxx

With this hand, you should raise to 4H, showing a semi-preemptive but not suicidal hand. Dbl with this hand is a very bad bid.



Cheers

Hongjun