Benellis58 GIB bashing on repeat Groundhog Day
#181
Posted 2025-December-02, 15:07
In the hand below, West, North, and East are all GIB robots.
North passes at his first opportunity (as dealer). North passes again at his second opportunity, when he certainly MIGHT have made a call. But then at his THIRD opportunity, and now for no apparent reason (especially considering his pass on the previous round) he voluntarily bids 3C.
He survives this, as East, his LHO, competes with 3S (which is exactly what he would have bid even if North had passed for a THIRD time), passed around to North, who NOW bids FOUR clubs...at UNFAVOURABLE vulnerability...opposite a partner who has shown length and values in his VOID...in a hand that therefore might well be (and in fact actually is) a misfit...and with a hand that he PASSED at his first two opportunities (INCLUDING his second opportunity, where it would have been cheap and easy to make a negative double showing both minors).
He did all this to "sacrifice"...RED AGAINST WHITE...at the FOUR level...against a PARTIAL...a partial of 3S that in practice would not even have made.
Competing for part scores can be wise. Taking PROFITABLE sacrifices (not PHANTOM ones) can be wise. For the reasons described above, what the GIB robot did on this hand was NOT wise.
Colour me COMPLETELY unsurprised.
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#182
Posted 2025-December-03, 16:18
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#183
Posted Yesterday, 02:38
GIB feels it's ESSENTIAL to begin its definition of 1C by stating that it's a "minor suit opening". GIB's hopeless definitions often neglect to include IMPORTANT information, yet they put in useless, insulting garbage like this.
The definition of 4H is not very informative, but again includes a totally NEEDLESS statement that 4H is a "cue bid".
The definition of double is vague and useless.
The definition of 4NT merely repeats the information provided for South's 1C opening and says NOTHING useful about what 4NT MEANS.
If South had redoubled instead of bidding 4NT, the definition would AGAIN have merely repeated the information given with his 1C opening, and would have stated that the redouble was forcing to 4NT.
If South had bid 4S instead of 4NT, it at least would have given some information ("6+ clubs, rebiddable spades") but WHY would the call necessarily have required at least 6 clubs and REBIDDABLE spades?
Maybe it's time to throw all GIB definitions into a garbage can and start over.
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#184
Posted Yesterday, 21:17
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#185
Posted Yesterday, 21:28
As the cliché goes, "You can't make this stuff up". Furthermore, thanks to the utter incompetence of the GIB "defenders", you don't HAVE to make it up, because they are breathtakingly bad.
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#186
Posted Yesterday, 22:02
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#187
Posted Today, 06:09
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#188
Posted Today, 06:27
Note the vague, useless definition of West's redouble: "5+ spades, 17- HCP, 13-19 total points, forcing". A waste of a call that could be put to far better use but that, thanks to the hopeless GIB system, succeeds in telling his "partner" nothing particularly new or useful.
Note also that East's 3H is defined as "Mixed raise, 4+ spades, 7-9 total points, forcing", yet his subsequent 3S call is defined as "4+ spades, 9 total points". Since he HAD to bid following his partner's useless, uninformative redouble of South's double of 3H, and since 3S was the CHEAPEST call he could POSSIBLY make at that point, why on EARTH would his hand which was previously described as "7-9 total points" now suddenly and magically be the absolute TOP of that range, defined NOW as "9 total points". Typically inconsistent and illogical GIB definitions - the type of garbage I sadly EXPECT from GIB.
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#189
Posted Today, 06:36
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#190
Posted Today, 07:41
To begin - MERELY to begin (!) the absolute lunacy, THIS was the definition of South's 1NT opener: "notrump opener. Could have 5M. - 2-5 clubs, 2-5 diamonds, 2-5 hearts, 2-5 spades; 15-". Talk about a pathetic and LAZY definition!
First, is it REALLY necessary to begin the definition of a 1NT opening bid by saying "notrump opener"???!!!
Second, is it REALLY necessary to state "Could have 5M" when the definition later specifically states "2-5 hearts" and "2-5 spades"???!!! Talk about unnecessary repetition!
Third, notice that the final part of this classically DISMAL and supremely SLOPPY definition does NOT say "15-17 HCP" - it says "15-"!!! I can only assume that whoever wrote this masterpiece of incompetence simply FORGOT to complete the definition by adding the completing words "17 HCP" and was then too LAZY and CARELESS to proofread what he had written.
The humour continues later, because...
Had South doubled East's bid of 3C, THIS would have been the definition: "2-5 clubs, 2-5 diamonds, 2-5 hearts, 2-5 spades, 15-17 HCP, 18- total points". First, it says NOTHING new (apart from actually completing the "15-" by correctly stating "15-17 HCP", which would NOT be new were it not for the lazy, careless, incompetent definition of 1NT in the first place). Then the definition for a double of 3C adds - for absolutely NO reason "18- total points". "Total" points? Where? Why? NS have established no fit!
So if South had doubled 3C, it would have shown NOTHING that his opening bid of 1NT had not ALREADY shown...AND no one would know WHAT the double was, because it ridiculously fails to say that KEY, ESSENTIAL piece of information. Would the double be penalty in the GIB system? Would the double be takeout in the GIB system? Would the double have some OTHER specific meaning in the GIB system? No one KNOWS, because the HOPELESS and USELESS GIB definition of the double does not say! It does not say the single most IMPORTANT thing that it NEEDS to say. GIB definitions don't even BOTHER to include ESSENTIAL information, yet they waste time, space, and energy by including needless DRIVEL such as defining a 1NT opening bid as "notrump opener". Sadly, GIB definitions are often absolute garbage, as this hand clearly illustrates.
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#191
Posted Today, 11:51
And let's look at that hopeless definition of 4S: "2+ spades, 9+ HCP, 9- total points". Absurd! To begin with, "total" points can be equal to or greater than HCP, but they CANNOT be less...yet this pathetic definition states that the bid shows at LEAST 9 HCP...and possibly many more, since no upper limit is stated, yet it...at the same time shows at MOST 9 "total" points and possibly fewer. Completely BACKWARDS, and a nice illustration of how monumentally illogical the GIB definitions can be. Ineptitude personified.
Then: LOOK at West's hand! According to the GIB definition, West is showing "9+ HCP"...yet he has only SEVEN HCP. GIB robots can't THINK and apparently they can't ADD either.
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#192
Posted Today, 11:51
And let's look at that hopeless definition of 4S: "2+ spades, 9+ HCP, 9- total points". Absurd! To begin with, "total" points can be equal to or greater than HCP, but they CANNOT be less...yet this pathetic definition states that the bid shows at LEAST 9 HCP...and possibly many more, since no upper limit is stated, yet it...at the same time shows at MOST 9 "total" points and possibly fewer. Completely BACKWARDS, and a nice illustration of how monumentally illogical the GIB definitions can be. Ineptitude personified.
Then: LOOK at West's hand! According to the GIB definition, West is showing "9+ HCP"...yet he has only SEVEN HCP. GIB robots can't THINK and apparently they can't ADD either.
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#193
Posted Today, 11:57
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#194
Posted Today, 12:23
Had South doubled East's 3H, it would have been USELESSLY defined as "3-5 clubs, 3-5 diamonds, 2-5 hearts, 4-5 spades, 17 HCP, 18 total points". Note that the outstandingly pathetic definition FAILS to identify the MAIN point of interest, namely whether the double is penalty, takeout, or WHATEVER in the GIB system. If the doubler has FIVE (!) hearts, which according to the definition he CAN, then it would seem that the double would be for penalty...yet the definition ALSO states that he could have only TWO hearts, in which case it would almost certainly be for takeout. The TOTALLY USELESS definition gives NO indication of what type of double it is!
Next, look at the definition of West's 4H, which promises "10+ HCP". West actually has only 9 HCP. If he chooses to bid 4H, that's his prerogative I suppose, but in that case the definition is not being HONEST.
Similarly, the definition of North's double STUPIDLY says "8 HCP, 9 total points". Why on EARTH would North need to have EXACTLY 8 HCP to double, and how would "total" points even be relevant? Then, comically, DESPITE the ludicrous restraints of the definition, we see that in practice North actually has only SIX HCP, a full two points fewer than the total ridiculously "promised" by the ludicrous definition.
As is SO often the case, the GIB definitions are garbage.
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