[mikl_plkcc]

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Friday evening IMP pairs in my local club. Board 2. All 13 tables got -480, hence 0.00 IMP for everyone. 12 tables played in 4♥, 1 in 5♥, all by East taking 12 tricks. 10 tables led the ♣J, one led the ♠8 and 2 led the ♥5.

How rare are such hands in a normal club game with a large number of tables, where everyone plays the same contract and gets the same score?

[jillybean]

The stronger the field, the tighter the score.

[akwoo]

You're playing at a very good club. At an most clubs several declarers would've only made 5.

[jillybean]

Which club?

[mycroft]

He's said before he plays in the Young Chelsea.

Which, for a newish player re-entering the duplicate community, is jumping into the deep end with both feet. Even if some of the YC games aren't completely the Shark Tank; the last average NGS rating of the game I expect he's playing in was 58.7%. Which, if I'm reading things correctly (and I *absolutely* could be totally misunderstanding things), means that the *average* player in the random club game was in the top 1500 in England. By a rating scheme that does go up and down with results.

[mikl_plkcc]

akwoo, on 2025-February-22, 21:19, said:

You're playing at a very good club. At an most clubs several declarers would've only made 5.

How? Upon the dummy goes down it is a lay down 12 tricks.

Lose the ♦A, draw 3 trumps, 2 clubs, ruff the remainder, no losers left.

[mw64ahw]

Maybe not that boring if you have to play it.

[mw64ahw]

mikl_plkcc, on 2025-February-23, 03:11, said:

How? Upon the dummy goes down it is a lay down 12 tricks.

Lose the ♦A, draw 3 trumps, 2 clubs, ruff the remainder, no losers left.

I'm surprised there weren't more in 5♥ or even the slam.

[mikl_plkcc]

mw64ahw, on 2025-February-23, 03:13, said:

Maybe not that boring if you have to play it.

Sorry I was the dummy on that board.

[mw64ahw]

mikl_plkcc, on 2025-February-23, 03:16, said:

Sorry I was the dummy on that board.

Just being flippant.; and by the way is this the correct forum 'interesting bridge hands'?

[mikl_plkcc]

mw64ahw, on 2025-February-23, 03:16, said:

I'm surprised there weren't more in 5♥ or even the slam.

Oh I now remember, there was some difference in my understanding between me and my partner about the rebid of Jacoby 2NT.

The version I learned is that
4♥ = minimum
3NT = medium
3♥ = maximum

So it would me a clear cut 3NT rebid for me, but his understanding was 4♥ = minimum and 3♥ = non-minimum, so this was a borderline hand (if he rebid 3♥ it would have excited me, but end up in 5♥ anyway when a keycard is missing).

[mw64ahw]

mikl_plkcc, on 2025-February-23, 03:25, said:

Oh I now remember, there was some difference in my understanding between me and my partner about the rebid of Jacoby 2NT.

The version I learned is that
4♥ = minimum
3NT = medium
3♥ = maximum

So it would me a clear cut 3NT rebid for me, but his understanding was 4♥ = minimum and 3♥ = non-minimum, so this was a borderline hand (if he rebid 3♥ it would have excited me, but end up in 5♥ anyway when a keycard is missing).

My auction in a 4+, lim+ context would go
1♥-2♠
3♦ 14-15/16 not balanced - 3♠ ctrl
4♣ ctrl - 5♦ odd KCs, ♦ ctrl
6♥
with a 5-card suit I'd bid 3N instead of 4♣ to show weak honours
A 50%er

[P_Marlowe]

mikl_plkcc, on 2025-February-23, 03:25, said:

Oh I now remember, there was some difference in my understanding between me and my partner about the rebid of Jacoby 2NT.

The version I learned is that
4♥ = minimum
3NT = medium
3♥ = maximum

So it would me a clear cut 3NT rebid for me, but his understanding was 4♥ = minimum and 3♥ = non-minimum, so this was a borderline hand (if he rebid 3♥ it would have excited me, but end up in 5♥ anyway when a keycard is missing).

When only 1KC is missing, but the Queen is on board, you should go for it.
I did not look to closely at the hand set / the seq., just commenting on this last part of your sentence.

[AL78]

mikl_plkcc, on 2025-February-22, 18:54, said:

How rare are such hands in a normal club game with a large number of tables, where everyone plays the same contract and gets the same score?

At my former club, almost unheard of these days.

[akwoo]

mikl_plkcc, on 2025-February-23, 03:11, said:

How? Upon the dummy goes down it is a lay down 12 tricks.

Lose the ♦A, draw 3 trumps, 2 clubs, ruff the remainder, no losers left.

Someone would have played the diamonds starting from dummy, or cashed all the trump before realizing they had to ruff a club in dummy.

Just be glad no pair missed game (which can also happen - some pairs have no forcing raise)

[mikl_plkcc]

I believe a lot of Acol players play no forcing raises. They bid 4H over 1H with 13 HCP and 4-card support.

[mikl_plkcc]

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Tonight we had 22 tables in our club session, and all 22 tables got +650 here. We ended up in 5♥ but everyone else was in 4♥ or 4♠.

[mikl_plkcc]

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In tonight's club session, there was a board which had identical contract, declarer, lead and result for all 8 tables: 4♥+1 by N, lead was the singleton ♠. However, the double dummy was 10 tricks only in ♥, with 3NT+1 the par result, as the singleton lead gave away a trick.

[bluenikki]

P_Marlowe, on 2025-February-23, 04:04, said:

When only 1KC is missing, but the Queen is on board, you should go for it.

Isn't "should" an underbid?