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Posted 2023-August-03, 14:47

Nobody forced me to make this natural 1NT overcall with a hand of Aces vulnerable... but it seemed to me what GiB would expect.

I never thought about what redouble by a passed hand would mean here, but I guess it has to be takeout for majors?
Not according to the explanation :blink:
I can handle either long minor, so I pass...
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Posted 2023-August-03, 15:38

It's just the same system as if you open 1NT and the opponents double for penalty. As per the system notes:

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After a 1N opening bid

If the opponents overcall 2♣ (Cappelletti any 1-suited hand), Double is Stayman and all other bids as below. If the opponents double, all systems are on; Redouble is used to run out to a minor (opener should bid 2♣, responder passes or corrects to 2♦). After any other interference, Lebensohl is used.

Have never understood why some people redouble for blood, as that just gives the doubler a free shot at running themselves..
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Posted 2023-August-03, 17:32

View Postsmerriman, on 2023-August-03, 15:38, said:

Have never understood why some people redouble for blood, as that just gives the doubler a free shot at running themselves..

yes doubled overtricks are worth a lot
sure if you make 2 overtricks you score slightly better if in 3N
but any other result making 1NX is a top
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Posted 2023-August-03, 17:35

View Postpescetom, on 2023-August-03, 14:47, said:

I never thought about what redouble by a passed hand would mean here, but I guess it has to be takeout for majors?
Not according to the explanation :blink:
I can handle either long minor, so I pass...


You forgot rule #1, if you don't 100% know what GIB's bid means, check the bid explanation.

If you checked the meaning of redouble, you can't handle either minor. If CHO had say 6 clubs to the QJ and out, you are highly unlikely to win any tricks in dummy while 2[c] may have a good play, and on the actual layout, diamonds plays much better than NT.
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Posted 2023-August-04, 01:20

View Postsmerriman, on 2023-August-03, 15:38, said:

It's just the same system as if you open 1NT and the opponents double for penalty. As per the system notes:


Have never understood why some people redouble for blood, as that just gives the doubler a free shot at running themselves..


Yes, makes sense of course, just that it omitted to say "obliges partner to bid 2C" or similar and I wasn't thinking.
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Posted 2023-August-04, 18:20

"In the context of the SOS Redouble, when it's described as a "long minor", it suggests that the redoubling player has length (often 6+ cards) in one or both of the minor suits (clubs or diamonds) and very few points. They are likely distributional with shortness in one or both of the major suits, and are uncomfortable with the contract at 1NT, even more so when it's doubled.

The player is essentially asking their partner to escape to their longest minor suit, hoping that the partner has some length in one or both minors. It's a way of trying to find a safer contract in a situation where the player expects to be heavily penalized if they stay in 1NT doubled.

In response to this, as the 1NT bidder, you should bid your longest minor suit, even if it's not particularly strong. If you have equal length in both minors, you might prefer to bid clubs, as it leaves more room for further bidding if necessary.

Remember, this SOS redouble is not a strength showing bid, it's a distributional bid. It is important for you to identify your best minor to give your partnership the best chance to find a suitable contract."

:rolleyes: Note - it took a bit of prompting to get there
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