Who goofed? Double, then overcall
#1
Posted 2017-September-21, 10:14
H Ax
D Axxx
C x
IMP pairs
A nice hand, partner deals and passes, RHO 1D
I double, LHO 1H, partner passes, RHO rebids 2D, I bid 2S, which is passed out. Upon seeing declarer's hand, my "expert" partner leaves without a word.
Dummy comes down with:
S Qxx
H Kxxx
D xx
C Jxxx
Making 5, of course.
With my partner passing, LHO still unlimited, and the opponents not finding a fit, I think I'm promising a very strong hand (about 18-21 points) needing only a few cards from partner to make a game. Does my partner have any reason to be upset?
#2
Posted 2017-September-21, 10:43
#4
Posted 2017-September-21, 11:29
wank, on 2017-September-21, 10:46, said:
Cyberyeti is correct in saying that it does come down to style in many partnerships, and that is true, but wank's viewpoint is also mine.
Your bidding in my view shows 16+ with a 6 card suit or 18+ with a 5 card suit. Partner must raise. I think the problem also, to a very, very small degree, is your hand with it's good 6 card ♠ suit and 3 aces and 6-4-2-1 shape is probably worth nearer 19-20.
#5
Posted 2017-September-21, 14:02
Your bidding was correct. You have an extremely good 16 HCP overcall with 5 losers. Your close to a jump to 3 ♠ after the double but not quite there. (Such a jump would basically say to partner "Bid 4 with any positive feature.")
I agree with the other posters. The problem wasn't you on this hand but partner's failure to raise.
Partner has a 6 HCP hand with a fit. But there's more to it than that. ♠ Q is a terrific card to hold as it helps to solidify the trump suit, so it's not unreasonable to feel it covers a potential loser in the overcaller's hand. Also, the ♥ K sets behind the ♥ bidder which raises its value a little. Anytime the ♥ A is with the ♥ bidder, it becomes a cover card for another loser in overcaller's hand. The hand also has a potential ruffing value in ♦. Since quite often a strong overcall is based on a good 6 card suit (giving 9+ total trump), that ruffing value is a little more certain because it's less likely the opponent's can eliminate it by leading ♠. In toto, the hand has a lot of positives if lacking in points some. It's good enough to want partner to bid game with a "good" strong overcall.
IMO, it's an automatic raise to 3 ♠ after overcaller (you) show the strong ♠ overcall. At IMPs, it's a travesty not to do so.
Don't worry too much about players leaving. It happens all the time. Some players are just terribly adverse to a bad result. As for the "expert" tag, there are more than a few "experts" who IMO are no better than intermediate players. So the designation is somewhat meaningless unless you recognize them as true experts.
Also, I'd take any comments, especially negative, with a grain of salt. I recall a hand where I made a safety play in the trump suit to guard against a 4-1 trump break making 4 and my "expert" partner went ballistic when I didn't make 5 because trump broke 3-2. I didn't have the heart to tell this player, that at IMPs, making the safety play is correct and something any real expert would recognize.
#6
Posted 2017-September-21, 15:23
Malachi, on 2017-September-21, 10:14, said:
Dummy comes down with:
S Qxx
H Kxxx
D xx
C Jxxx
Making 5, of course.
With my partner passing, LHO still unlimited, and the opponents not finding a fit, I think I'm promising a very strong hand (about 18-21 points) needing only a few cards from partner to make a game. Does my partner have any reason to be upset?
Partner has every reason to be upset....
With their non-expert pass of 2♠. Maybe your partner thought he was going to get called out for making a terrible bid and got out while the getting was good.
#7
Posted 2017-September-21, 16:37
Anyway, your bidding is normal. Your hand is about middle-of-the-road for your bidding.
#8
Posted 2017-September-21, 17:54
#9
Posted 2017-September-21, 19:38
Hold your head high and be thankful your CHO was at least quiet when leaving the table so many players say some form of :idiot: or worse then leave. Hopefully they left in shame when they realized they did not belong at your table:)))))))))))
#10
Posted 2017-September-21, 21:17
Malachi, on 2017-September-21, 17:54, said:
You should be glad he left! If he left over this any time spent with him, would be wasted.
#12
Posted 2017-September-25, 13:37