another 5 level choice
#21
Posted 2015-May-09, 05:42
I'm bidding 5♠ because if partner bid 4♠ with such obviously weak trumps, partner must have a distributional oddball. I wouldn't expect many spade tricks to cash so beating 5♥ looks very iffy.
#22
Posted 2015-May-09, 06:36
billw55, on 2015-May-08, 09:07, said:
IMP pairs, none vul. You have fine playing strength, but also some defense. How do you proceed? If you pass, do you consider it forcing? Do you agree with the previous call 2♠?
If you need/want to know about the other players, then:
I bid 5S. (I don't consider Pass forcing and I agree with 2S, albeit I am maximum for this bid.) And I expect to make.
With AKJx support and partner freely jumping to 4S (which surely had been bid to make), we can hardly have a spade loser. Partner will have at most one heart on this auction. It is reasonable to expect that with controls in both minors, partner will not lose more than one other trick. Where are his values? They have to be in the minors. It would be very unlucky to go down.
#23
Posted 2015-May-09, 06:51
(2) Pass is not forcing. Partner presumably had some way to invite me back into the auction and chose not to do so,
(3) I would have bid 3♠ instead of 2♠. I think the hand is on the border between 2♠ and 3♠ and I bid 3♠ because I have good trumps and I believe that the partner with good trumps should make the aggressive choice in borderline situations.
#24
Posted 2015-May-09, 06:59
wyman, on 2015-May-08, 10:32, said:
I don't think partner can have that hand. You have to bid show 5 card diamond support to an honor and reveal the double fit (by bidding diamonds) rather than 4S with that, otherwise you will never position partner to know what to do if they do bid 5H.
#25
Posted 2015-May-09, 08:02
PhilKing, on 2015-May-09, 05:37, said:
Double in haste Repent at leisure I certainly have,more than once
in situations like this. As often as not one opponent turns up with
a void in our suit. The fact the opponents have competed to the 5 level shows
they don't fear a ♠ lead. Best to defend and hope declarer has 3 losers.
- Dr Tarrasch(1862-1934)German Chess Grandmaster
Bridge is a game where you have two opponents...and often three(!)
"Any palooka can take tricks with Aces and Kings; the true expert shows his prowess
by how he handles the two's and three's" - Mollo's Hideous Hog
#26
Posted 2015-May-09, 11:34
I mean, if they ruffed a spade lead and claimed 6 would we be shocked? I wouldn't.
I think 5♠ is just normal. Our spades are so good and hearts so bad that this feels right no matter what his reason for bidding 4♠ was.
#29
Posted 2015-May-09, 12:44
#30
Posted 2015-May-09, 13:46
Also, my "random BBO expert" partner will remove my double WAY more often than I would expect a regular partner to do, which is perfect for this hand.
#31
Posted 2015-May-09, 14:28
jdonn, on 2015-May-09, 11:34, said:
This is why perhaps I shd have passed rather than dbl. Q7th/6th + void + 5♥ goes undoubled in front of pd = obvious 5♠ by partner to me. I am not gonna bid his hand. A non forcing pass of course.
Fwiw, I do not believe there is anything unexpected in my hand that justifies bidding 5♠ while there are many things that are unclear about what pd may hold. I think the fact that we are not in pass out seat is being overlooked.
Otoh, I am aware that there are also other hands w/o partner holding 6/7th ♥ bidding 5♠ can be winner. But I still think in this hand the person who needs to step up and decide should be partner, but just like Phil said, I also overlooked to the fact that pd is a random BBO expert, which comes with a variety of all skill levels.
billw55, on 2015-May-08, 09:07, said:
I do.
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#32
Posted 2015-May-09, 22:27
#33
Posted 2015-May-10, 03:44
PhilKing, on 2015-May-09, 05:37, said:
Double in haste,repent at leisure as I have done on more than one
occasion and got a big fat bottom for my trouble. More often than not
one opponent(or both) turn up with a void in ♠ The fact the opponents
have competed to the 5 level clearly shows they do not fear a ♠ lead.
It's wise to desist and hope declarer has 3 losers.
- Dr Tarrasch(1862-1934)German Chess Grandmaster
Bridge is a game where you have two opponents...and often three(!)
"Any palooka can take tricks with Aces and Kings; the true expert shows his prowess
by how he handles the two's and three's" - Mollo's Hideous Hog
#34
Posted 2015-May-10, 08:55
#35
Posted 2015-May-10, 09:02
Jdonn: I would have expected partner to pull for example with qxxxxxx and out, so while yes that's obviously a hand type he can hold, I didn't fail to dbl based on it.
Same, honestly with Mike's example 5053 4/5-count, on the theory that holding that hand, only I really know about my lack of defense and double fit, where partner has only partial info and should be expecting fewer spades and something more defensive (than zero defense) on average.
Based on partner not bidding 4D to help out the cause, I'd be expecting a shape more like 5035, and Qxxxx / void / Kxx / Axxxx makes more sense for a 4S bid than a random 4-count with that shape.
What this fails to do is thinking hard about hands the opps can hold, but I think some are consistent enough, e.g.,
x / KQJxx / x / KQJxxx and xxx/Axxx/QJxxx/x
Maybe both are a little more balanced since rho dbled instead of 2n but you get the idea.(and these seem like pretty much the nuts, I think they can hold worse cards/shape)
"...we live off being battle-scarred veterans who manage to hate our opponents slightly more than we hate each other. -- Hamman, re: Wolff
#36
Posted 2015-May-10, 11:18
crdshrk, on 2015-May-10, 08:55, said:
I think maybe you misread the bidding. You opened the hand 1D, so no cue bid showing limit plus available.
#38
Posted 2015-May-11, 06:28
wyman, on 2015-May-10, 09:02, said:
Jdonn: I would have expected partner to pull for example with qxxxxxx and out, so while yes that's obviously a hand type he can hold, I didn't fail to dbl based on it.
This was my line of thinking at the table: I have good defense - two aces and four trumps to the ten - so I double, relying on partner to pull with a preemptive type hand, and sit for it with some defense.
The full deal was:
Nobody appears to be insane.
My double somewhat fortunately produced +300, while 5♠ was making, so this was not a success, but not a disaster either. We were the only pair defending: 11 pairs played in 4♠, two in 5♠, and two went off in 5♦. Of the 13 pairs that played in spades, 8 made 11 tricks and 5 made 10 tricks. At both tables where 5♠ was bid, south doubled 5♥ directly and north pulled. Not sure what to make of all that, except maybe that the EW field was a little timid.
Overall it seems that bidding on is better.
-gwnn