[Zelandakh]

PhantomSac, on 2014-June-18, 15:43, said:

Also if it goes 4S 4N p ? What do you bid? If partner has clubs you want to bid a slam but if they have the reds you don't

This is the big advantage of the "Modified Rexford" idea, in which a direct overcall of 5m shows that minor + hearts with 4NT covering the normal 5m overcalls.

[Free]

nige1, on 2014-June-16, 16:05, said:

rubbish deleted

You forgot to delete pass = 8 and 4NT = 7...

Dbl is obvious imo.

[jdeegan]

4NT??? Whatever happened to the old fashioned treatment where the double of 4♠ is cooperative saying "I think it is our hand and we can probably beat 4♠" whereas 4NT is a generalized three suit takeout with zero or one ♠? Imo, the LOTT tends to validate this older approach. RHO has 7 or 8 ♠, and you don't have any. The expected number of ♠ for the opponents is 10+. LHO and partner figure to hold about half the high cards between them. You don't happen to have even one little ♠, and your hand is potentially a huge playing hand. Time to get lucky gambler. Feel of the table is part of it, too. Johnny Crawford did not usually get these kind of hands wrong.