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more Interference after interference of NT/leb what's a later double by the leb bidder mean?

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what is X in: 1nt-2H!-2NT!-3H-P-P-X

  1. 100% very penalty (0 votes [0.00%])

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  2. penalty oriented (0 votes [0.00%])

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  3. DSIP, who knows (0 votes [0.00%])

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  4. negative/takeout oriented (1 votes [33.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  5. 100% negative/takeout (1 votes [33.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  6. any of the game forces (1 votes [33.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  7. a specific hand type (0 votes [0.00%])

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  8. something else (0 votes [0.00%])

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Which of the hand type(s) will tend to X in 1nt-2H!-2NT!-3H-P-P-X

  1. minor sign off (0 votes [0.00%])

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  2. stayman with a stopper (2 votes [50.00%] - View)

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  3. invitational with spades (0 votes [0.00%])

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  4. game forcing 3nt hand with stoppers (1 votes [25.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  5. X is mostly uncorrelated with hand type (0 votes [0.00%])

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  6. other (1 votes [25.00%] - View)

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Posted 2014-May-22, 00:20

So we are playing standardish lebensohl where if the opponents interfere 2 (showing H or showing H+m or whatever that includes H) then 2nt is a puppet to 3 which shows one of several types of hands. If the opponents pass and partner completes the 3 bid then we do/could have:

1nt - 2! - 2nt! - P
3 -P - ??

Pass - sign off in
3 - sign off in
3 - stayman (so 4), with a stopper
3 - invitational in with 5+
3nt - game force, stop, <4 but usually balanced or close to balanced

Our general style is X on the 2 level (except over 2) are penalty. Doubles, at least immediately, on the 3 level are negative. Late doubles over 1nt tend to be penalty (I.e., we transfer, complete the transfer, they come in, we double. Or they double for penalty our 1nt, run to a suit, now we X. etc.)

Given all that, what is X usually played as by us if 4th hand raises and it is passed back to us? With which hands would we tend to do that? Would it make a difference if you were playing weak nt versus strong nt? Does it matter the colors (I.e., you are red they are white)?
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Posted 2014-May-22, 02:26

View PostMbodell, on 2014-May-22, 00:20, said:

Given all that, what is X usually played as by us if 4th hand raises and it is passed back to us?

Sounds like Stayman, easily convertible in the knowledge of the heart stopper. A form of Stolen Bid Double if you like. Note that for the most part playing Rubensohl here simplifies things somewhat when the opps are ungentlemanly enough to raise the overcall.
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