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Just taking a little survey to see how different people handle a very common situation....
Let's see what is and is not "Standard".
Please assume that 2♥ bid is natural.
In addition, if your answer is that you play penalty-oriented doubles over opp's overcall, what do people do with competitive or invitational + hands with 4-card spade suits that don't also qualify for a penalty double?
intro Bridge 101?
Apologies, probably should have added an "other" option....
Thank you in advance for your feedback.
DHL
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Another simple responses to 1NT question. Penalty, Negative, or StolenBid doubles?
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Posted 2005-February-07, 14:36
Yeah you got it, other... Dbl is always penalty in my partnership.
To show weak, invitational and GF hands, we use a combination of Rubensohl and Lebensohl.
To show weak, invitational and GF hands, we use a combination of Rubensohl and Lebensohl.
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Posted 2005-February-07, 14:47
I see many top experts playing negative double against
2 level overcall.
2 level overcall.
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Posted 2005-February-07, 16:05
I play double as stolen bid, with suit bids being transfers.
Not elegant or optimal, but we don't forget it
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Not elegant or optimal, but we don't forget it
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Posted 2005-February-07, 16:48
I vote for dbl = take-out and invitational values.
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Posted 2005-February-07, 20:45
in that sequence i play x for penalties... there are plenty of other ways to bid both invitational and game forcing hands, but only one way to double for penalty
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Posted 2005-February-08, 03:31
My junior partner and I have given this some thought and came up with:
Penalties if WE are vulnerable, negative if we are not vulnerable.
If this agreement is too dodgy, I would suggest:
Penalty if your 1NT is weak, take out if your 1NT is strong.
The idea about being V or NV has this rationale: If you play negative doubles, opener must also keep the auction open and this can be dangerous. If vuln. this might give you some expensive results..
For example we had:
1NT* (2H) p (p)
dbl** (p) ?
* 14 - 16
** negative
Now I held 3433 with 1 scattered Jack, partner of course held 3244... Anyway all were vulnerable and there I was in 2S with them holding more trumps and more HCP than us.
Penalties if WE are vulnerable, negative if we are not vulnerable.
If this agreement is too dodgy, I would suggest:
Penalty if your 1NT is weak, take out if your 1NT is strong.
The idea about being V or NV has this rationale: If you play negative doubles, opener must also keep the auction open and this can be dangerous. If vuln. this might give you some expensive results..
For example we had:
1NT* (2H) p (p)
dbl** (p) ?
* 14 - 16
** negative
Now I held 3433 with 1 scattered Jack, partner of course held 3244... Anyway all were vulnerable and there I was in 2S with them holding more trumps and more HCP than us.
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Posted 2005-February-08, 06:34
To: Gerben 47
What you say about alleviating opener from the possible need to reopen vulnerable makes sense, especially at imps or imp pairs. This is really a matchpoint issue to some extent. If doubles are penalty, what methods, assuming playing lebs and/or rubensohl, do we have to seek a spade or minor suit fit without creating a GF?
Thanks: DHL
What you say about alleviating opener from the possible need to reopen vulnerable makes sense, especially at imps or imp pairs. This is really a matchpoint issue to some extent. If doubles are penalty, what methods, assuming playing lebs and/or rubensohl, do we have to seek a spade or minor suit fit without creating a GF?
Thanks: DHL
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Posted 2005-February-08, 10:36
Other: always negative, whatever the range is.
I can't believe people play penalty doubles at matchpoints over 1NT-2H, at IMPs it is less clear to me.
As for "stolen bid doubles", ... (still thinking about a friendly way to say it )
I can't believe people play penalty doubles at matchpoints over 1NT-2H, at IMPs it is less clear to me.
As for "stolen bid doubles", ... (still thinking about a friendly way to say it
)
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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