2/1 GF, 1♠ only promises 4+ .
Rebid?
#1
Posted 2014-January-13, 22:49
2/1 GF, 1♠ only promises 4+ .
"Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself."
"One advantage of bad bidding is that you get practice at playing atrocious contracts."
-Alfred Sheinwold
#2
Posted 2014-January-13, 23:25
#3
Posted 2014-January-14, 06:17
If partner's 2♥ could be a 17 count, then 2NT. Such imprecise methods need flexibility.
#4
Posted 2014-January-14, 06:48
At IMPs I would say, that I have to make another try. Pass gets more attractive,
if you open regular open light.
what to bid: I guess I have to go either with 2NT or with 3D, I would go with
2NT, but ...
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#5
Posted 2014-January-14, 08:33
edit: I think I just realized the problem with this. lol
fromageGB, on 2014-January-14, 06:17, said:
This sounds weird to me, do people really play this way?
-gwnn
#6
Posted 2014-January-14, 08:42
billw55, on 2014-January-14, 08:33, said:
I thought this was a pretty standard top end value for those not playing a Gazzilli type artificial rebid. How strong do you need to be to jump to 3♥? Any weaker than 17/18 and it makes contracts very flaky opposite a minimum non-fitting partner - like this one without the Ace of clubs.
#7
Posted 2014-January-14, 08:51
Qx, QJ109xx, KJ, KJ10 for example is no great hand but will make 3N, a bigger danger is something like Ax, QJ9xxx, AJxx, x if you rebid 2♥ with this where if all goes well you could conceivably make 13 tricks in diamonds rather than 9 in hearts and 5♦ is probably where you want to be.
3♦ is a serious overbid, I'd bid 2N.
#8
Posted 2014-January-14, 09:34
Imps I will give it a go for the game bonus is worth a little stretch and at pairs scoring I think I will pass as the risk/reward isn't that great.
#10
Posted 2014-January-14, 11:57
All 12+ HCP hands are opened, otherwise rule of 20.
With 6♥-4m, it depends. Generally with extra strength or a good side-suit, we rebid the minor. If the side suit is garbage (Jxxx or worse) and the Heart suit is really good, then 2♥.
With 3♠-6♥, partner usually rebids Hearts, but can support Spades with shortness and/or nice Spades and bad Hearts. With 3-6-(0-4) I would hope partner doesn't rebid Hearts, but we don't play that often together.
"Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself."
"One advantage of bad bidding is that you get practice at playing atrocious contracts."
-Alfred Sheinwold
#11
Posted 2014-January-14, 18:57
billw55, on 2014-January-14, 08:33, said:
Yes, especially if they are too strict with the suit quality and/or spots they jump with. You can check the past topics and you will see we have a lot of people who are strict on this and there are others who can jump with AQxxxx,setting the priority to the invitation limit instead of suit quality.
bigbenvic, on 2014-January-14, 09:34, said:
I don't think 2 NT promise any hearts at all. There are a lot of hands with 0-1 hearts and 11-12 hcps, which can not make GF, and where pass could be underbid. And with doubleton hearts, responder could have raised hearts himself after pd promised 6 of them.
But the hand we hold now is much closer to pass than 2 NT. I would pass.
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#12
Posted 2014-January-14, 22:39
If he comes back 3♥, I'm finished... and not sure what I'd do if it goes 3♥ doubled back to me. I would probably stick it.
#13
Posted 2014-January-15, 05:37
HighLow21, on 2014-January-14, 22:39, said:
If he comes back 3♥, I'm finished... and not sure what I'd do if it goes 3♥ doubled back to me. I would probably stick it.
Isn't 3♦ GF so 3♥ doesn't have to be minimum ?
#15
Posted 2014-January-16, 03:48
To be honest, I would probably pass at the table. It's interesting that both 4♠ and 4♥ makes. I know someone posted awhile back about opening 4♥ on these kinds of hands, and it pays off in spades here (horrible pun intended). Looking through the posts on here, I came up with an idea, probably a bad one but maybe worth exploring. For this, I am assuming the partnership isn't willing to change 1♥-1♠ to 5+ .
If the hand in question was able to show at least 5♠-4♦ and INV+ values, then this thin game might be reached. I am thinking that 3♣ by responder would definitely do the trick. Since this hurts the GF Spades-Clubs hands, then I also suggest putting 5-5 black hands into 2♣, but only making it forcing for 1 round. So, you get the auction 1♥-2♣ ; 2♥ - 2♠ as INV+ , but initially only promising 4 Spades. Partner would show 3-card support via 2NT, and it still is reached.
"Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself."
"One advantage of bad bidding is that you get practice at playing atrocious contracts."
-Alfred Sheinwold
#16
Posted 2014-January-16, 04:09
chasetb, on 2014-January-16, 03:48, said:
It's interesting that both 4♠ and 4♥ makes. I know someone posted awhile back about opening 4♥ on these kinds of hands, and it pays off in spades here (horrible pun intended).
So the only options with the North hand are
1) open 4♥
2) rebid 2♥(!) when partner responds 1♠?
What is wrong with rebidding 4♥ when partner responds 1♠?
I frankly admit my game bids are not underwritten by Lloyds.
If I am recovering from a long depression I might rebid only 3♥ to give partner a chance to pass with a misfit and minimum values.
Rainer Herrmann
#17
Posted 2014-January-16, 04:44
chasetb, on 2014-January-16, 03:48, said:
Why are the diamonds necessary? I can show an invite with 5+ spades via 1♥ - 1♠(relay); 1NT(min) - 2♠, after which it is easy. As with Rainer, I far prefer 1♥ - 1♠; 4♥ than a direct 4♥ opening. Many also use gadgets to be able to show a 1-suiter with 3 card support, which would also be the route in my system if a card is transferred from South to North (1♥ - 1NT(♠, NF); 2NT(3♠, INV) - 4♠).
#18
Posted 2014-January-16, 04:47
#19
Posted 2014-January-19, 20:14
Cyberyeti, on 2014-January-15, 05:37, said:
Depends on your system. Not in mine. I would play it was 10+ HCP with at best a spot-doubleton in hearts, and usually 5-5 in spades in diamonds. It's screaming to play something other than hearts.