[eagles123]

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Matchpoints

so what here, 3 hearts or 4 hearts?

Thanks,

Eagles

[ArtK78]

eagles123, on 2013-November-18, 12:12, said:

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so what here, 3 hearts or 4 hearts?

Thanks,

Eagles

And the correct answer is: YES!

Seriously, I would bid 3♥, but I would not criticize anyone who would bid 4♥.

By loser count, you have a 6 loser hand, which is not always worth a jump to 3♥. But this hand has a lot of very good aspects, and the presence of the ♠K cannot be ignored. The ♠K might be worthless or it might be useful - we don't know yet. But the hand would be the same 6 losers even if the ♠K were the ♠2.

I would prefer a slightly better heart suit, but it is not terrible. KJTxxx is a lot better than KJxxxx.

[Cyberyeti]

System ? how many hearts have you shown by 1♥ ? If 4 how freely do you raise on 3 ?

I'm wondering whether rebidding hearts is in fact correct here, partner has no more than 3♠/2♥ and may be shorter than that particularly in hearts, there are plenty of hands where you actually want to be in a minor here or NT, try Axx, x, xxx, QJxxxx or xxx, void, KQxxxx, QJxx for examples.

Form of scoring ? Are you playing weak jump shifts ?

[eagles123]

Cyberyeti, on 2013-November-18, 12:54, said:

System ? how many hearts have you shown by 1♥ ? If 4 how freely do you raise on 3 ?

I'm wondering whether rebidding hearts is in fact correct here, partner has no more than 3♠/2♥ and may be shorter than that particularly in hearts, there are plenty of hands where you actually want to be in a minor here or NT, try Axx, x, xxx, QJxxxx or xxx, void, KQxxxx, QJxx for examples.

Form of scoring ? Are you playing weak jump shifts ?

It was matchpoints,

system is Acol so 1H opening shows 4+ probably raise on 3 with either a side singleton or two doubletons but 3343 or 2344 would always be 1N if in the right points

don't play weak jump shifts, no.

[billw55]

ArtK78, on 2013-November-18, 12:49, said:

I would bid 3♥, but I would not criticize anyone who would bid 4♥.

Pretty much same. I just want to allow for partner holding a bad hand with a stiff heart, where he is cornered into bidding 1NT.

I wonder how much I can infer from ops failure to bid spades.

[ggwhiz]

3♥ I am not at all unhappy if pard bids 3nt with reason to believe 1 or both of their minor suits will run.

[neilkaz]

Obvious 3♥ for me as this stiff K♠ is a downgrade and my ♥ suit is only 6 and not that strong.

I'd feel better about 4♥ if a small♥ were the 9, but still would bid 3♥.

[Cyberyeti]

eagles123, on 2013-November-18, 13:00, said:

It was matchpoints,

system is Acol so 1H opening shows 4+ probably raise on 3 with either a side singleton or two doubletons but 3343 or 2344 would always be 1N if in the right points

don't play weak jump shifts, no.

In that case probably 3♥, in a 5M system I'd seriously consider bidding a minor.

[cherdano]

3♥, and I would criticize anyone who bids 4♥.

P.S.: I wrote this before realizing which forum this was posted in. If a beginner would bid 4♥, I would ask him or her why they bid it. If they said that despite 18 hcp, this hand has a nice 6-card suit and is full of aces and kings, I would agree that it's worth upgrading hands full of aces and kings, and with a 6-card major. And explain that on the other hand, the ♠K is a negative feature, and that the suit isn't that great opposite a singleton, etc.

[gszes]

we have a 7 trick hand which will be a 9 trick hand opposite most minimums and a
10 trick hand opposite darn few minimums. Since this is MP there is no real reason to
push to a low % probability game here so we settle for a 3h invite which should be well
over 50% if p can accept. It is not always about HCP sometimes simply counting tricks
will solve an enormous amount of your rebid problems.

[eagles123]

thanks everyone

[Thiros]

3♥ would be my choice, but at matchpoints a raise to 2NT has some merit to it. The spade situation is risky, but you'll only get blown away in the suit if partner has nothing there, RHO leads a spade and LHO has the ♠A. And even then, partner has the option to go back to hearts with a strong doubleton. I'd want to be in 3NT if partner had ♠J10x ♥x ♦KQxx ♣QJxxx.