[MrAce]

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Pd is Diana again, i changed the original bid by opponents after our 4♠ bid IMP pairs.

a- What would you bid if E passes ?

b-What would you bid if E bids 5♥ ?

c-What would you bid if east bids 5♠ ?

Note that we had no discussion whether we play voidwood or not, so assume we do not play voidwood.


EDIT :2♦ was inverted

[Cyberyeti]

What did 2♦ show ? And particularly if it's the normal weak raise, when do you bid 1N instead (not familiar with what normal US methods are).

Slam is unlikely to be better than a non heart lead or a finesse, and the heart lead is rather telegraphed.

I'd bid 5♦ which isn't a complete signoff as partner couldn't have been much more encouraging, partner will go on with xxx, xxx, Jxxxx, AK as he really couldn't be any better.

[MrAce]

Cyberyeti, on 2013-July-14, 09:02, said:

What did 2♦ show ? And particularly if it's the normal weak raise, when do you bid 1N instead (not familiar with what normal US methods are).

Slam is unlikely to be better than a non heart lead or a finesse, and the heart lead is rather telegraphed.

I'd bid 5♦ which isn't a complete signoff as partner couldn't have been much more encouraging, partner will go on with xxx, xxx, Jxxxx, AK as he really couldn't be any better.

Sorry 2♦ was inverted, i added this now.

[cherdano]

Easy 5♥ in my opinion, if we get 6♣ from partner I will bid 7. 2♦ showed 10+hcp, so counting on 9 working hcp isn't too much to ask for. Yes, it could be a disaster if partner made a last train bid with ♠A ♥K ♦K but I don't really think she should bid 5♣ with such a minimum with an ace that's not necessarily useful, and no honor in our likely side suit.

[JLOGIC]

cherdano, on 2013-July-14, 09:52, said:

Easy 5♥ in my opinion, if we get 6♣ from partner I will bid 7. 2♦ showed 10+hcp, so counting on 9 working hcp isn't too much to ask for. Yes, it could be a disaster if partner made a last train bid with ♠A ♥K ♦K but I don't really think she should bid 5♣ with such a minimum with an ace that's not necessarily useful, and no honor in our likely side suit.

Probably at some point if we bid 7 we should bid 7C in case partner is 2344, he should know not to pass with 4-3 in the minors.

[Fluffy]

bid grand now, ♣K is a favourite to be onside anyway, they might sacrifice regardless and on the heart lead we just suggested it will most often be a 5/7 hand. As Justin says 7♣ is better.

[gnasher]

Fluffy, on 2013-July-15, 01:42, said:

bid grand now, ♣K is a favourite to be onside anyway, they might sacrifice regardless and on the heart lead we just suggested it will most often be a 5/7 hand. As Justin says 7♣ is better.

♣K onside isn't enough in itself. Opposite 3343 or 2353 you'll also need the clubs to break.

I like the bid, though. You don't get many chances to identify a five-or-seven hand during the auction.

[Zelandakh]

a. 5♥
b. Pass
c. Pass

[gszes]

assuming 3d was for the majors----why are we in such a huge hurry to splinter
when we can use splinter theory to our advantage w/o divulging the nature of
our hand to the opps??? why not begin with 3h and see if it is possible for p
to bid 3n?? ok that aside---our predicament is a lack of space and no strong
idea where we belong. Best bet for now is

5h

shows our grand slam aspirations (and should guarantee a spade void). This bid
also lets p know that a top dia and one top club are insufficient for us to bid 7.
Lets see if p can throw in a 6c bid which should be sufficient for us to bid 7d*.

*There is an odd benefit to bidding 7c. This bid might encourage rho to make a
lightner x with a dia void. While this piece of information will make no difference
to the overall play of the hand it might show 7d is now a safe contract since rho
wont have 2 voids (ackkk will they?). If we bid 7d immediately we will have
no recourse if rho x 7d with a club void. If p passes 7c the play of the hand will
most likely be similar to 7d.

[MrAce]

I bid 5♠ since i was not sure how short did 4♠ show. In my mind i thought this would also promise a ♥ control and that pd would bid 5♣ with AK on her way.

I should have bid 5♥. Yes 5♠ promise a ♥ control but probably denies 1st round and i shd have predicted that pd will never do something that will encourage me to grandslam (such as bidding 6♣ with AK when she knows we are lack of 1st round ♥. And Diana did good job by bidding 6♦

Oh well, RHO bid 6♥, holding J9xxx KQJT9x void xx , which i passed but the damage by the lack of 5♥ was hard to recover. Diana doubled with AKx xx Jxxx AKxx. ♦ K was off Kxx. We ended up collecting +1100 in the wrong suit save contract.