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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2013-February-23, 20:33



2♣ forces 2♦
3♠ inv+
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Posted 2013-February-23, 20:40

prefer 2s over 1s


btw what would 2s show after your 2d here?
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Posted 2013-February-23, 20:51

 mike777, on 2013-February-23, 20:40, said:

btw what would 2s show after your 2d here?


2♠ shows an invitational hand w/spades, 3♠ a better invitation

1♦ 1♥ 1♠ 2♦ gf
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Posted 2013-February-23, 20:56

 jillybean, on 2013-February-23, 20:51, said:

2♠ shows an invitational hand w/spades, 3♠ a better invitation

1♦ 1♥ 1♠ 2♦ gf



ok thanks given that south is a passed hand still not sure what the diff over the forced 2d by north is here; in any case thought the hand worth less than inv.
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Posted 2013-February-23, 21:13

The south hand is really bad. If you have two ways to invite (seems you do) then definitely south should show the weaker one by rebidding 2♠ after 2♦. If north is going to upgrade for having aces (which seems to have happened here) south also needs to downgrade for queens and jacks!
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Posted 2013-February-23, 22:29

North doesn't have an accept.

South's humongo raise is from another planet.
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Posted 2013-February-24, 02:16

I think north overbid even a little bid more then south.

But the main problem: IF you upgrade for aces, downgrade for quacks.

And if you do not downgrade quacks, don't upgrade for aces.
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Posted 2013-February-25, 09:27

I disagree. I think the South hand is worth about 8 while the North hand is about 14 in spades. I think it is perfectly ok for North to accept the "good" invitation but not ok at all for South to make it. I am not even sure that South is worth a "bad" invite. Of course, I like a style with lots of up- and downgrading. Presumably South has a different style. It is less important which style you play than that both partners are playing the same one.
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Posted 2013-February-25, 10:11

I think both overbid, but south more than north. The south hand is awful, I would choose a simple raise, no invite at all, never mind a good invite.
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Posted 2013-February-25, 12:12

I also agree that the 3♠ bid by South is way too aggressive, it's just slightly worse than the 4♠ acceptance by North. I would have used 2♣ and then 2♠, and played it there.
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Posted 2013-March-10, 06:03

South has a truly terrible hand, I think 2♠ is plenty. I would rather pass 1♠ before I invite.
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