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Protect?

Poll: Protect? (36 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call

  1. Pass (3 votes [8.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

  2. Double (27 votes [75.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 75.00%

  3. 3D (6 votes [16.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  4. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   nige1 

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Posted 2013-January-16, 09:45

2/1. Game all, LHO's 2 is weak. Your call? (If you have time please give marks out of ten to the calls you consider)

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Posted 2013-January-16, 11:35

Double - 10
Pass - 5
3 - 2

There is a significant chance on this auction that partner has a very good hand and either has a penalty double of 2 or some other hand that is awkward to bid in direct seat over 2. Therefore, I double. If partner pulls the double to 3, I will bid 3.

Pass could be right if RHO is lying in the weeds waiting for me to reopen the bidding.

3 is almost right on shape but wrong for two reasons: (1) it indicates that you are not willing to defend 2x if partner has a trump stack - and with the AK of hearts and a couple of minor suit Q's you are certainly willing to defend 2x if that is what partner wants to do; and (2) it grossly overstates your values and distribution. You cannot commit this hand to the 3 level in a red suit when partner could have nothing but spades.

The only part of my choice of action that I am a little uncomfortable with is my choice to bid 3 over 3. On a bad day, partner could be something like this:

xxxx
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KJTxx

Yes, I know that it seems unlikely that partner could have this hand - the opps may be making a game in spades. But it happens. Anyway, if this is partner's hand any action over 3 could result in a large minus.
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Posted 2013-January-16, 14:20

Obviously double unless you want a new partner. Your defense is not bad at all, you have the AK of a suit partner is pretty likely to have at most 2 of (and if he has 3, he really has them), and 2 side queens. Your partner is like 90 % to have a penalty X of 2S. It could go bad if partner is weak with 5 bad spades, but that is an unlikely hand type compared to him just having them nailed.
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Posted 2013-January-16, 14:21

X=10, everything else = take up a new game.
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Posted 2013-January-16, 16:58

View PostArtK78, on 2013-January-16, 11:35, said:

Double - 10
Pass - 5
3 - 2


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Posted 2013-January-16, 19:38

View PostJLOGIC, on 2013-January-16, 14:20, said:

Obviously double unless you want a new partner. Your defense is not bad at all, you have the AK of a suit partner is pretty likely to have at most 2 of (and if he has 3, he really has them), and 2 side queens. Your partner is like 90 % to have a penalty X of 2S. It could go bad if partner is weak with 5 bad spades, but that is an unlikely hand type compared to him just having them nailed.

View PostJLOGIC, on 2013-January-16, 14:21, said:

X=10, everything else = take up a new game.
Thank you all. I hope I'll be able to find a partner because it's a bit late for me to take up a new game.:(
I passed and now I feel like "The man who failed to protect" in an H M Bateman cartoon
Anyway, I was wrong both in theory and in practice. Partner held AKT9xx xxx AJxx :(
If you double, they find their ten card fit but you reach your game :)
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Posted 2013-January-20, 11:39

I double, but also give consideration to 3. If partner's spades in a normal flattish distribution are not good enough to bid 1NT, this would work better than letting him guess the best contract.
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Posted 2013-January-28, 04:20

I dont believe that X is worth 10 points.
I think 3 is the right bid here.
First my partner knows that im not strong and only showing shape so kinda balancing in last seat.
If i have more then minimum opening i X most of the time.
And the problem with dbl is even when partner got 5 there are lots of hands when opponent make it or dont go down enough.
But i guess it all depends on how well you know your partner and he knows you.
My partner would imagine that i got a hand like this when i bid 3
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Posted 2013-January-28, 06:13

Since noone has brought it up, how does everyone play a 2NT rebid by Opener on this auction?
(-: Zel :-)
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Posted 2013-January-28, 06:29

View PostZelandakh, on 2013-January-28, 06:13, said:

Since noone has brought it up, how does everyone play a 2NT rebid by Opener on this auction?


(17)18-19 balanced for me.
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Posted 2013-January-28, 18:24

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Posted 2013-January-31, 10:46

double is not that great, partner will leave it in many cases we dont want him to.
if playing good bad ill bid 2NT.(or 3D if 2NT is good)
if i think partner will not overbid when i bid 3D ill take that bid.
I think pass isnt so bad at all especilly if playing mp.
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