- West opens 1♣ (Natural).
- North overcalls 1♠ (Natural).
- East trances.
- South bids 2♣ out of turn before East has called. (South incorrectly thought East passed . Then systemically 2♣ would be a cue-bid in support of ♠).
- East wakes up and doubles (East did not see South's 2♣ bid and wants to double 1♠ negatively).
- West calls the director.
- What are the relevant laws?
- What is the ruling?
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Pair of COOTs? Last W/E at Peebles (SBU)
#1
Posted 2012-October-23, 08:05
#2
Posted 2012-October-23, 08:23
nige1, on 2012-October-23, 08:05, said:
- What are the relevant laws?
- What is the ruling?
L28B says:
Quote
A call is considered to be in rotation when made by a player whose turn it
was to call before rectification has been assessed for a call out of rotation
by an opponent. Making such a call forfeits the right to rectification for the
call out of rotation. The auction proceeds as though the opponent had not
called at that turn, but Law 16D2 applies.
was to call before rectification has been assessed for a call out of rotation
by an opponent. Making such a call forfeits the right to rectification for the
call out of rotation. The auction proceeds as though the opponent had not
called at that turn, but Law 16D2 applies.
L16D2 says:
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When a call or play has been withdrawn as these laws provide:
1. For a non-offending side, all information arising from a withdrawn action
is authorized, whether the action be its own or its opponents.
2. For an offending side, information arising from its own withdrawn action
and from withdrawn actions of the non-offending side is unauthorized.
A player of an offending side may not choose from among logical
alternative actions one that could demonstrably have been suggested
over another by the unauthorized information.
1. For a non-offending side, all information arising from a withdrawn action
is authorized, whether the action be its own or its opponents.
2. For an offending side, information arising from its own withdrawn action
and from withdrawn actions of the non-offending side is unauthorized.
A player of an offending side may not choose from among logical
alternative actions one that could demonstrably have been suggested
over another by the unauthorized information.
Gordon Rainsford
London UK
London UK
#4
Posted 2012-October-23, 09:12
#5
Posted 2012-October-23, 11:14
My bad. I thought the title referred to my partner and myself.
"Bidding Spades to show spades can work well." (Kenberg)
#6
Posted 2012-October-23, 18:27
paulg, on 2012-October-23, 09:12, said:
Didn't your director say the same?
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#7
Posted 2012-October-26, 08:24
I bet he did not open the Law book.
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#8
Posted 2012-October-26, 08:43
"May have"?
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#9
Posted 2012-October-26, 15:33
Gordon. For the logic challenged among us (Ok ..... for me) does your reply mean
East has doubled.
This cancels any rectification for South's bid out of turn.
"The auction proceeds as though the opponent had not called at that turn"
South may now bid anything he likes.
South's desire to bid 2♣ in an undoubled auction is AI to E/W but UI to N/S
Thanks.....Rich
East has doubled.
This cancels any rectification for South's bid out of turn.
"The auction proceeds as though the opponent had not called at that turn"
South may now bid anything he likes.
South's desire to bid 2♣ in an undoubled auction is AI to E/W but UI to N/S
Thanks.....Rich
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