[Fluffy]

♠AKQJ10
♥53
♦8
♣108753


1♣-1♠
2NT

your limited options are a 3♣ relay, a forcing 3♠ (slamish normally 6+ cards) or 4m (you can pick between nat or auto-splinter)

Spoiler

after 3♣ partner bids 3♠ wich denies 4♥ so partner either has 3334 or 5 clubs

what is your general plan with this?

EDIT: Its match point scoring

[dwar0123]

What scoring?

[mike777]

3nt.

[gszes]

its impossible to do this w/o knowing the rest of your system.

for ex what is 3d (auto splinter?) what responses do i get if
i use the relay system?


I will hazard a 3s bid here. With any luck p will bid 3n with a
non slammish type hand (ie lots of Q and J) and i will pass.


P might even be able to take control and start asking for aces
immediately and we will have to hope that our promise of a 6th
spade will not lead p astray.


If P cue bids (lots of controls) I will bid

6s at MP (when it makes it will score better)
6c at IMPS (safer and it will make more often)

[Cyberyeti]

I wouldn't have this problem, but if 2N guaranteed 4 clubs, 4♦ would be kickback so I'd bid that.

Failing that I'd bid 3♣ relay then bid 4♣.

[PhilKing]

Grand slam opposite xx Axx Axx Akxxx.

Can't I just jump to 4♣? The trouble with checkback is that if partner bids 3♥ or 3♠, 4♣ will sound like a cue bid.

From the options you give, I choose 4♣ natural!

[mike777]

the problem with all these slam trys is at MP it forces slam.


3nt or 4s beats all or almost 5c hands.

granted even the hand I came up with 3nt is poor and 4s is better.

xxx....AJx..AQx...AKxx

given the methods I just think this is a tough hand....tough even with other methods.

[han]

I would prefer to make a slam try in clubs with 5+ spades, I don't know how to do that in Fluffy's system. Making a slam try in clubs without showing spades doesn't look good because I want to stop in 4S if partner rejects. With 3 small spades I think that partner won't cooperate unless he has a good hand for us.

In my system I would bid 3H (transfer to spades) and then bid 4C.

[Fluffy]

han, on 2012-September-30, 03:57, said:

I would prefer to make a slam try in clubs with 5+ spades, I don't know how to do that in Fluffy's system. Making a slam try in clubs without showing spades doesn't look good because I want to stop in 4S if partner rejects. With 3 small spades I think that partner won't cooperate unless he has a good hand for us.

In my system I would bid 3H (transfer to spades) and then bid 4C.

you basically cannot, you can bid 3♣, and when aprtner bids 3♠ you are now bound to playing spades, and can't suggest clubs since everything is a cuebid.

I mean my system is basically 3♣ relay, no other areements, I am sure 4♣ wold be taken as nat by partner, but it looks like a 4-5 more than anything else.

[han]

This confirms by belief that pickup bridge is less enjoyable.

[bigbenvic]

What's the range of 2nt 17-18 (19) 18-19 19-20 or something else.

regardless I've a monster of a 10 count. 5 losers, 5 card trump support for partner, the only worry is clubs. I'm going to take a strange position and bid 6♣ (unless the min is 17) Slam (if it makes) might be good enough for most of the matchpoints

Puts a lot of pressure on the opening lead, if I try to get cute I may give more away than I could find out. We may be off 2 top ♦ but they could be tempted to lead a trump to cut out my ruffs!

[Siegmund]

Leaping to 6C is hardly the strangest idea in the thread. With a pickup partner, it has the additional merit that it won't be misunderstood.

[rmnka447]

I'll venture 4 ♣ -- hopefully recognized as natural with this hand.

It might get you to 4 NT as a settling place -- but you've got 5 sure tricks at NT to offset any problems with the contract.

I think it's important to emphasize the black suit nature of the hand so pard can evaluate whether NT is the right place. Yeah, that does help the opponent's defense with more info about what you hold. But better that than find pard with something like Qx in one of the red suits and see them reel off 5, 6 or more tricks.

If partner has ♣, then you've made a good first step toward a ♣ slam.

[mike777]

not sure about all these methods that let you out of slam below 5c geez...

to be honest seems a bit double dummy.

[Fluffy]

partner had ♠9xx ♥AQx ♦AKJ ♣KQxx Lucky we missed ♣9 and I didn't have to guess ♣AJ behind in 6♠.