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#1 User is offline   rduran1216 

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Posted 2012-April-05, 17:24

IMPS early round compact KO

opps silent throughout


having trouble with hand editor

North deals and holds

86
KQJ1094
K2
KJ10



South holds

Q7
7
A109865
A754


Auction

1H 1NT(forcing)
2H 3D
3H all pass
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Posted 2012-April-05, 17:40

We are not told but I would assume any bid over 3d is gameforce.....south cannot pass.


that means north must pass with any dead minimum hand or expect to play in game if north bids.

same meta agreement if south rebids 2nt and north bids again...gf, cannot correct to play in 3 level contract.


btw I would have expected more for 3d bid by south if that matters so Iplay this deal in 2h if pard rebids 2h on the other hand pard may rebid 2c and then 2h over 2d to show this hand for me :(

1h=1nt
2c=2d
2h=3c
3d=?
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Posted 2012-April-05, 17:59

No blame. You had 13 opp 10 with a 6-1 fit and no other singletons. Oh well.
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Posted 2012-April-05, 18:04

The hands fit really well and you still might have to find the C Q if Ds don't break.
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Posted 2012-April-05, 18:09

View Postthe hog, on 2012-April-05, 18:04, said:

The hands fit really well and you still might have to find the C Q if Ds don't break.


If diamonds don't break you will often just go down on a diamond ruff. But it's obv still quite a good game.
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Posted 2012-April-05, 19:35

Assuming you got 170, you win 2 on the board: if I am North I am passing 3D, having already shown my sixth heart, and liking Kx in partner's suit.
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Posted 2012-April-05, 22:40

After 3H, South knows about game in hearts
South MUST bid 4H, he is to blame...
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Posted 2012-April-06, 01:20

View Postomarsh10, on 2012-April-05, 22:40, said:

After 3H, South knows about game in hearts
South MUST bid 4H, he is to blame...

How does he know partner doesn't have xxx, KQ9xxxx, K, Kx where game is massive odds against even if they don't just cash the first 4 tricks or play 3 rounds of spades.
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Posted 2012-April-06, 01:31

I blame the opponents for not bidding their spades. The correct auction is
1 1 2 3
4
or
1 pass 1NT 2
3 3 dbl


... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-April-06, 01:52

Even on a 2/1 context 3 can be bid with different ranges, neeed to know what 3[d] shows on your system.
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Posted 2012-April-06, 09:13

1M p 3D would be a WJS

So this action by South generally is <2 hearts, >= 6 diamonds with 8-11 or so
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Posted 2012-April-06, 10:28

2H/3H/3D is normal. minimum 6322 with no A vs misfit 10 count with Qx. Well done opps if they bid it, next board.
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