[phil_20686]

You you are playing with a good player, but you don't have many agreements. You have the hand and auction:

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Pertinent information: we play walsh style.

Now answer the poll.

[dake50]

1c p 1d p;
1h p 1s p;
2s p ??
Pertinent information: we play walsh style.

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If 1s showed 4xS, 3NT asks partner to let it play without 4xS.
We've already blabbed this auction to help opponents defend well.

[gordontd]

When playing Walsh, I'd have expected 1♠ to be FSF with fewer than four spades, and 2♠ would have been natural & game-forcing. Having taken this route, I'd just bid 4♠.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Playing Walsh: North has shown a 4 4 0 5 hand.

If you treat South's 12 hcp hand as a GF, then the 1D Response is correct.
But, by agreement South's 1S! = 4th suit GF and may or may not have 4 cards ♠.
( Using 2S-jump gets the auction too high for the proper strain to be reached ).

Over North's 2S ( = 4 cards ), if South bids anything other than 3S, it would show 1S! was artificial and less than 4 cards ♠ .

[wyman]

I play that 1S is art-F1. I would have bid 2S nat/gf.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

wyman, on 2012-March-26, 07:52, said:

I play that 1S is art-F1. I would have bid 2S nat/gf.

Usually, it's the other way around:
1S = natural, F1 and
2S! = artificial, GF.... but this way the bidding may get too high if Responder's reason for 4th Suit GF was to show GF support for opener's 1st bid suit.

For example:
1C - 1D
1H - 2S!
3H - 4C ( Responder now has to first show GF ♣ support at the 4-level )

That's why in my previous post ( # 4 ) I prefer:
1C - 1D
1H - 1S! = GF, may or may not have 4 cards ♠ .

-- If Opener does NOT next bid 2S, you can forget about ♠ whether you have 4 or not.
-- If Opener DOES bid 2S, if you make any bid OTHER than 3S, you do not have 4 cards ♠, and your 1S! was artificial 4th suit GF.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

playing no walsh, lots of player will play 1S as natural, 2S would be FSF.
In a walsh context, I would assume, that 1S as FSF makes more sense, but
see below, when will we ever bid diamonds before spades, and due to this
it may make no real difference.

Openers 2S bid should be based on a 4 carder.
In a walsh context, I would assume, 1H showes an unbal. hand, so 1H
will be bid with either 4441 or with 5431 shape.
Even with not many agreements, I would assume, that you have an idea, if
opener will show the bal. nature of his hand with his rebid, or if he will
bid up the line.

The 5431 shape should bid 2C, 2D or 1NT, not 2S.

In a walsh context, I will only bid diamonds before spades, if I am gf ...,
2S may still be unlimited, but the single vs. AQxxx is nothing that gets me
excited, hence 4S.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: I cant vote, because I wouldanswer to #1 with other / unclear.
I am not sure, that discussing, if 1S is FSF is an agreement, that comes to
mind, if you only have 5-10 min to discuss.

PSS: We dont play Walsh, with 44 we will bid the major, but with 54 we will
bid diamonds.

[TS999]

Wow looks like most people seem to be in agreement on this one!