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Whats your bid ? Partner jump over a preempt.

#1 User is offline   benlessard 

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Posted 2012-March-25, 01:09

ATxx
Q
KQx
KQ9xx

vul-NV
(3C)--4H--(P)--?
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Posted 2012-March-25, 03:46

5C, over 5D I will bid 5NT.
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Posted 2012-March-25, 06:11

Ok, I'm a sucker and find 6H no doubt down 1 on an upper cut because the guy had 6 C. If I have missed 7 I am sorry.
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Posted 2012-March-25, 10:50

View Postbenlessard, on 2012-March-25, 01:09, said:

ATxx
Q
KQx
KQ9xx

vul-NV
(3C)--4H--(P)--?


if my hand were
ATxx Q KQx xxxxx

I would bid 5h and since my current hand is at best 1 trick stonger
I see no reason to deviate from a 5h bid the heart Q should provide
sufficient support to the 4h bidder and anytime p has decent
power along with great hearts slam should be a favorite.
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Posted 2012-March-25, 19:37

My partner's 4H denied 3XA, denied 2xA +C-void,
denied 1 1-loser trump suit with 4+ controls.
So any up-bid is dreaming. PASS.
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Posted 2012-March-25, 23:16

View Postdake50, on 2012-March-25, 19:37, said:

My partner's 4H denied 3XA, denied 2xA +C-void,
denied 1 1-loser trump suit with 4+ controls.
So any up-bid is dreaming. PASS.


Eh? Where did this come from?
Kxx
AKJxxxx
A(J)xx

You would not bid 4H?
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Posted 2012-March-26, 02:01

My hand (south) was

QX
AKTxxx(x) edited
ATxx
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and decided to overbid 4H rather than a simple 3H because of the club void and because i wasnt sure how light my partner would be willing raise me to 4H vul vs NV. With my regular partner i would just bid 3H. Anyway north has to force to 6 (or keycards or make a try for 7) because over most slam tries all slam tries south will bail out to 5H feeling he already have overbid significantly.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
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Posted 2012-March-26, 15:55

A good general rule when partner bids over a preempt is to assume that he's playing you for two tricks (or about 6 - 8 points); don't do anything unless you have considerably more than that.

Here, you do: about 8 - 10 points (or 2 - 3 tricks) more than partner expects.

I'd probably bid 6, though 5 is a reasonable bid as well. I want to be in 6 at least, with 6NT and 7 possible (though remote). Partner cannot have the A unless LHO preempted on (6 or) 7 to the jack, so 7NT is out.
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Posted 2012-March-26, 16:31

View Postbenlessard, on 2012-March-26, 02:01, said:

My hand (south) was

QX
AKTxxx
ATxx
---

and decided to overbid 4H rather than a simple 3H because of the club void and because i wasnt sure how light my partner would be willing raise me to 4H vul vs NV. With my regular partner i would just bid 3H. Anyway north has to force to 6 (or keycards or make a try for 7) because over most slam tries all slam tries south will bail out to 5H feeling he already have overbid significantly.


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Posted 2012-March-26, 19:09

Eh? Where did this come from?
Kxx
AKJxxxx
A(J)xx

You would not bid 4H?

***
You do not have a stronger bid than 4H for this hand?
A perfect SQJ +CKQ +Hxx is a cold slam. That's 8 hcp,
how can partner even suggest good stuff when you may
have so-o-o much?
Where is the top for 4H for you?
What other strong bid(s) are you not using?
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Posted 2012-March-26, 19:49

Good grief man, you are vulnerable vs nv. How will you feel if you double and pd bids 4S on a 4 carder? Happy?
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Posted 2012-March-26, 20:30

Assuming the original hand was 2740, this is completely acceptable for this auction/colors.

What on earth would you bid with this hand if not 4H?
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Posted 2012-March-27, 07:29

Good grief man, you are vulnerable vs nv.
How will you feel if you double and pd bids 4S on a 4 carder? Happy?

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Again what is the top for 4H for you?
What other strong bids are you not using?
If your response is "only Double shows strong"
then I see YOUR problem. That is NOT a problem
to me - I have other strong bids.
Good grief man, did you not read my post?
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Posted 2012-March-27, 07:50

View Postdake50, on 2012-March-26, 19:09, said:

Eh? Where did this come from?
Kxx
AKJxxxx
A(J)xx

You would not bid 4H?

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You do not have a stronger bid than 4H for this hand?
A perfect SQJ +CKQ +Hxx is a cold slam. That's 8 hcp,
how can partner even suggest good stuff when you may
have so-o-o much?
Where is the top for 4H for you?
What other strong bid(s) are you not using?


No. This hand is not worth more than 4. It is a fine 4 call. 4 shows a very good hand. This is a very good hand.

I don't even know why you think this hand is better than a 4 call. It is not even close to a 2 opening. I suppose if you added the K and changed the K to the A then 4 would be an underbid. Still, I don't know if there is a reasonable alternative. Most players play that double followed by 4 doesn't show a stronger hand - rather, it shows a more flexible hand (say, one less heart and one more spade).
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Posted 2012-April-06, 10:55

Is it bad form in the expert forum to ask for keycards?
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Posted 2012-April-06, 15:39

View Postdboxley, on 2012-April-06, 10:55, said:

Is it bad form in the expert forum to ask for keycards?


That would have been my choice, and if we were off 1 I would bid 6N.
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Posted 2012-April-06, 21:21

View PostJLOGIC, on 2012-April-06, 15:39, said:

That would have been my choice, and if we were off 1 I would bid 6N.


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Posted 2012-April-06, 21:25

View Postdake50, on 2012-March-26, 19:09, said:

Eh? Where did this come from?
Kxx
AKJxxxx
A(J)xx

You would not bid 4H?

***
You do not have a stronger bid than 4H for this hand?
A perfect SQJ +CKQ +Hxx is a cold slam. That's 8 hcp,
how can partner even suggest good stuff when you may
have so-o-o much?
Where is the top for 4H for you?
What other strong bid(s) are you not using?


All I can say is that if you want a stronger bid than 4H for this hand you have no idea of hand evaluation and even less of bidding over a pre empt.
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