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Yesterday I had 2 similar hands playing in the local club:
AJ109753
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2
QJ963
1♥-1♠
3♣-??
AQJ984
QJ64
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1063
1♥-1♠
3♦
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partner jump shifts making our hand a big monster
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Posted 2012-March-11, 07:04
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Posted 2012-March-11, 07:59
First hand, is the jump shift GF for you ? If so, just bid 4♣ as although 5♥ is exclusion, it doesn't give you space to untangle the spade holding opposite.
Second hand, don't have this problem, can bid 2♠ first time. Say 1♥-2♠(single suited and huge, or GF, 5 good ♠, 4 decent ♥)-3♦-5♦(agreeing ♥, exclusion), if partner has x, AKxxx, AKQJx, xx, tough). 5N to find K♠ if all keycards held as partner will bid 5♥ with 3.
Second hand, don't have this problem, can bid 2♠ first time. Say 1♥-2♠(single suited and huge, or GF, 5 good ♠, 4 decent ♥)-3♦-5♦(agreeing ♥, exclusion), if partner has x, AKxxx, AKQJx, xx, tough). 5N to find K♠ if all keycards held as partner will bid 5♥ with 3.
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Posted 2012-March-11, 08:44
Fluffy, on 2012-March-11, 07:04, said:
AQJ984
QJ64
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1063
QJ64
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1063
The 2nd hand, we could use Zelandakh's splinter system:
1H - 3S! ( void splinter somewhere )
3NT! ( asks ) - 4D! ( ♦ - void )
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"imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jump-shift
( 1M-1NT!-3m-?? )." ....Justin Lall
" Did someone mention relays? " .... Zelandakh
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"imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jump-shift
( 1M-1NT!-3m-?? )." ....Justin Lall
" Did someone mention relays? " .... Zelandakh
K-Rex to Mikeh : " Sometimes you drive me nuts " .
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Posted 2012-March-11, 09:01
1. A practical 4NT for me. If pard has 0-3 keys, bid a conservative 6. If he shows 1-4 instead, go for the ambitious 7.
2. In french style, this is a 3♥ wtp?
2. In french style, this is a 3♥ wtp?
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Posted 2012-March-11, 12:55
4♣ on the first and 3♥ on the second.
There will be hard decisions later but I don't see much we can do on this round to avoid that.
There will be hard decisions later but I don't see much we can do on this round to avoid that.
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Posted 2012-March-11, 16:33
4C on the first. On the second one I'll bid 4D over 1H - support with support, etc.
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Posted 2012-March-11, 18:22
I bid 4♣ and 3♥ the continuations should be:
1♥-1♠
3♣-4♣
4♦
1♥-1♠
3♦-3♥
4♦
what next?
1♥-1♠
3♣-4♣
4♦
1♥-1♠
3♦-3♥
4♦
what next?
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Posted 2012-March-11, 18:48
I'd rebid 3♠ on the 1st hoping to show the ♣ support later.
On the follow-ups, 4♠ cue with both, though on the 2nd I'm concerned about ♣ losers so might sign off in 4♥, and definitely would if playing Italian cues.
On the follow-ups, 4♠ cue with both, though on the 2nd I'm concerned about ♣ losers so might sign off in 4♥, and definitely would if playing Italian cues.
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Posted 2012-March-12, 19:17
4♣ on the first - could 3♣ be 3 a card suit? if yes this should show 5♣, lucky I have 5 then!
3♥ on the second.
Set trumps on both and lets go exploring for slams :-)
3♥ on the second.
Set trumps on both and lets go exploring for slams :-)
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Posted 2012-March-13, 07:54
Fluffy, on 2012-March-11, 07:04, said:
AJ109753
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2
QJ963
1♥-1♠
3♣-??
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2
QJ963
1♥-1♠
3♣-??
On the 1st one :
4D ... Ctrl cue showing support for Opener's 2nd suit ( ♣ ) .
Don Stenmark
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"imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jump-shift
( 1M-1NT!-3m-?? )." ....Justin Lall
" Did someone mention relays? " .... Zelandakh
K-Rex to Mikeh : " Sometimes you drive me nuts " .
TWOferBRIDGE
"imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jump-shift
( 1M-1NT!-3m-?? )." ....Justin Lall
" Did someone mention relays? " .... Zelandakh
K-Rex to Mikeh : " Sometimes you drive me nuts " .
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Posted 2012-March-14, 02:14
There is a problem with 4♣ o the first one.
You can never find out that partner has ♠x or ♠xx, this has 2 issues, first that you cannot know if 7♣ can be made, and second is that you cannot play 6♠ instead of 6♣ at MPs.
I tried 4♣ and ended up in 6♣, partner had ♠xx ♥AQxxx ♦A ♣AK10xx, ♠KQ was stiff behind so 6♠ might or might not make
Second one was just for fun, partner had ♠- ♥AKxxxx ♦AKxxx ♣Jx Opening leader has ♣AQx, and on my local 80% of the 20 table field bid and made 6♥ on a non club lead, wich is ludicrous not only because nobody found lack of club control nor led a club, but also because 13 tricks are easy if you manage dummy's entries enough.
Showing controls etc and getting a club lead due to it for +450 was worth 5% of the MPs.
You can never find out that partner has ♠x or ♠xx, this has 2 issues, first that you cannot know if 7♣ can be made, and second is that you cannot play 6♠ instead of 6♣ at MPs.
I tried 4♣ and ended up in 6♣, partner had ♠xx ♥AQxxx ♦A ♣AK10xx, ♠KQ was stiff behind so 6♠ might or might not make
Second one was just for fun, partner had ♠- ♥AKxxxx ♦AKxxx ♣Jx Opening leader has ♣AQx, and on my local 80% of the 20 table field bid and made 6♥ on a non club lead, wich is ludicrous not only because nobody found lack of club control nor led a club, but also because 13 tricks are easy if you manage dummy's entries enough.
Showing controls etc and getting a club lead due to it for +450 was worth 5% of the MPs.
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