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Responding to partner's weak 2 hearts

Poll: Responding to partner's weak 2 hearts (9 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. Pass (1 votes [11.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  2. 2 Spades (6 votes [66.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 66.67%

  3. 3 Hearts (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 3 Spades (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 4 Hearts (2 votes [22.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.22%

  6. Something Else (0 votes [0.00%])

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Posted 2012-February-26, 14:20



How do you continue? Partner is generally aggressive when pre-empting.

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Posted 2012-February-26, 14:39

4h game try. KISS
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Posted 2012-February-26, 22:16

4♥; partner's spade support may be much worse, and in spades you may be cut off from dummy's hearts.

(Of course, I'm accustomed to disciplined weak 2s in 1st and 2nd seat: two of the top three or three of the top five honors. YMMV)
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Posted 2012-February-27, 14:28

The full hand:



4♥x wasn't a success, going for 500, with an extra trick available in spades (2 extra by East). I did ask after the hand if the opponents had the agreement that double of a weak 2 was for penalties, but they assured me their agreement was takeout.
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Posted 2012-February-27, 18:13

The question still applies as your partner did not have a weak 2 in H.
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Posted 2012-February-27, 18:24

I'd reply 2♠ nat NF but highly encouraging and the auction might go 2♥-2♠-2N-3N, prob -1, but possibly making or - lots of 50s.
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Posted 2012-February-27, 21:14

If PD can open a weak 2 with Qxxxxx and 6 outside HCP, you certainly can't blast to game with your hand whether or not the opps make a take out double.
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Posted 2012-February-27, 22:14

What are your agreements for 2N in this auction? Playing with undisciplined preempts, it seems reasonable to play it as Ogust, so if that's an option I'll bid it.
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Posted 2012-February-27, 22:58

Surely we should have figured it out on this occasion by the alert of South's double. There was an alert of the Fishbein (non-takeout) double, wasn't there?

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Posted 2012-February-27, 23:42

View Postneilkaz, on 2012-February-27, 21:14, said:

If PD can open a weak 2 with Qxxxxx and 6 outside HCP, you certainly can't blast to game with your hand whether or not the opps make a take out double.


To be fair it was a bit unlucky that on top of all that the 6 outside HCP were not working very well. Give partner ♦A rather than ♦KJ and put the trumps where they should be given the t/o double, and game looks like a fair prospect.
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Posted 2012-February-28, 04:44

I'd bid 2S nat F1. Partner bids 3D or 3H, I bid 4S, down one, what is that club king doing in the wrong hand.

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Posted 2012-February-28, 11:04

Obviously, you redouble after a penalty double of 2♥. :blink:
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Posted 2012-February-28, 11:31

I would bid 2♠ over a partner that is capable of 2♥ on that trash. Methinks you are in for a few more of these before (if) your pard reconsiders matters.

I once played with a guy famous for his random 2's and got him to promise he would own 6 of them (so I thought), just in 2nd seat only. Two hands in, he opened 2♥ in second and went for a HUGE number.

I said "you promised to have a 6 bagger" and with a hurt look he said "I did, clubs".

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Posted 2012-February-28, 13:34

If you raise to game on that hand and partner opens 2♥ on the other hand, I don't think anyone needs to change necessarily. Sometimes RHO won't have AKJT of trumps.
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Posted 2012-February-28, 15:54

View Postggwhiz, on 2012-February-28, 11:31, said:

I would bid 2♠ over a partner that is capable of 2♥ on that trash. Methinks you are in for a few more of these before (if) your pard reconsiders matters.


I was actually East - I posted this hand from my partner's perspective because I was more interested in what his call should be. ;)

On reflection, I think I was probably being a bit too aggressive when I chose to open this.
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Posted 2012-February-28, 16:39

View PostQuartic, on 2012-February-28, 15:54, said:

I was actually East - I posted this hand from my partner's perspective because I was more interested in what his call should be. ;)

On reflection, I think I was probably being a bit too aggressive when I chose to open this.


IMO if opening 2♥ with this is the chosen partnership style, PD should bid 2♠ over their X.
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Posted 2012-February-28, 22:39

View PostQuartic, on 2012-February-28, 15:54, said:

On reflection, I think I was probably being a bit too aggressive when I chose to open this.


The style is legit and taken to the extreme, served Marty Bergen very well but it drove his partners crazy. Once Larry Cohen couldn't take it anymore Marty was pretty much out of the game. A shame cause he's brilliant.

2♥ on this isn't as bad as I first stated just REALLY not to my personal taste.
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