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1N=15-17. 3x is natural.
1. Is there any reason to play X as anything but takeout?
2. Any reason to play 4x as anything but Michaels?
3. Should 3y be forcing or non-forcing? And does whether you are playing teams or pairs influence your thought on what is optimal?
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Bidding after 1N (3x)
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Posted 2012-February-10, 09:06
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Posted 2012-February-10, 09:28
Some would still play 4-level transfers, so that's one reason that a cuebid would not be Michaels. Also if the overcall is in a major, you might not want a cuebid to be Michaels. I'm not claiming anything about the merits of any of these treatments, only that some play them, and I wouldn't assume a cue is Michaels here without agreement with an unknown partner.
We've chatted offline about the other questions, so I'll let others offer their opinions.
We've chatted offline about the other questions, so I'll let others offer their opinions.
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Posted 2012-February-10, 09:41
Over 1NT - 3♣, I play that 4 level transfers are on. 4♣ is for the majors, but I wouldn't call it Michaels (probably just a quibble on my part). Double is negative, but can certainly be converted by opener.
Over 1NT - 3x other than clubs, 4 level transfers are off. The rest is the same.
Over 1NT - 3x other than clubs, 4 level transfers are off. The rest is the same.
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Posted 2012-February-10, 09:58
Texas Transfers are ON through 3C interference:
1NT - ( 3C ) - 4D! = Texas
but:
1NT - ( 3D ) - 4D! is needed for Stayman
and
1NT - ( 3D ) - 4H = natural, not a transfer.
1NT - ( 3C ) - 4D! = Texas
but:
1NT - ( 3D ) - 4D! is needed for Stayman
and
1NT - ( 3D ) - 4H = natural, not a transfer.
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Posted 2012-February-10, 10:20
1. Is there any reason to play X as anything but takeout?
Of course there is. You might want to penalize opps. To use dbl as take out is a necessity, not an extravagance.
2. Any reason to play 4x as anything but Michaels?
You can come up with a dozen good meanings for 4x. But michaels is fine, of course.
3. Should 3y be forcing or non-forcing? And does whether you are playing teams or pairs influence your thought on what is optimal?
3y must be forcing. Otherwise it's just too dificult.
Of course there is. You might want to penalize opps. To use dbl as take out is a necessity, not an extravagance.
2. Any reason to play 4x as anything but Michaels?
You can come up with a dozen good meanings for 4x. But michaels is fine, of course.
3. Should 3y be forcing or non-forcing? And does whether you are playing teams or pairs influence your thought on what is optimal?
3y must be forcing. Otherwise it's just too dificult.
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Posted 2012-February-12, 00:58
Over 1N 3C
3D=hearts inv+
3H=spades inv+
3S=D GF
4C=5-5 majos GF
4D=texas
4H=texas
Over 1N 3D
3H=spades inv+
3S=hearts GF
4C=clubs GF
4D=5-5 majors GF
ALERTNATIVELY
4D=texas
4H=texas
Over 1N 3H
X=4+ spades
then 3S=3 spades, 3N=2 spades, 4x=4 spades and cue
3S=GF no heart stopper no 4 spades.
3D=hearts inv+
3H=spades inv+
3S=D GF
4C=5-5 majos GF
4D=texas
4H=texas
Over 1N 3D
3H=spades inv+
3S=hearts GF
4C=clubs GF
4D=5-5 majors GF
ALERTNATIVELY
4D=texas
4H=texas
Over 1N 3H
X=4+ spades
then 3S=3 spades, 3N=2 spades, 4x=4 spades and cue
3S=GF no heart stopper no 4 spades.
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Posted 2012-February-12, 03:34
JLOGIC, on 2012-February-12, 00:58, said:
Over 1N 3C
3D=hearts inv+
3H=spades inv+
3S=D GF
4C=5-5 majos GF
4D=texas
4H=texas
Over 1N 3D
3H=spades inv+
3S=hearts GF
4C=clubs GF
4D=5-5 majors GF
ALERTNATIVELY
4D=texas
4H=texas
Over 1N 3H
X=4+ spades
then 3S=3 spades, 3N=2 spades, 4x=4 spades and cue
3S=GF no heart stopper no 4 spades.
3D=hearts inv+
3H=spades inv+
3S=D GF
4C=5-5 majos GF
4D=texas
4H=texas
Over 1N 3D
3H=spades inv+
3S=hearts GF
4C=clubs GF
4D=5-5 majors GF
ALERTNATIVELY
4D=texas
4H=texas
Over 1N 3H
X=4+ spades
then 3S=3 spades, 3N=2 spades, 4x=4 spades and cue
3S=GF no heart stopper no 4 spades.
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Posted 2012-February-12, 03:49
JLOGIC, on 2012-February-12, 00:58, said:
Over 1N 3C
3D=hearts inv+
3H=spades inv+
3S=D GF
4C=5-5 majos GF
4D=texas
4H=texas
Over 1N 3D
3H=spades inv+
3S=hearts GF
4C=clubs GF
4D=5-5 majors GF
ALERTNATIVELY
4D=texas
4H=texas
Over 1N 3H
X=4+ spades
then 3S=3 spades, 3N=2 spades, 4x=4 spades and cue
3S=GF no heart stopper no 4 spades.
3D=hearts inv+
3H=spades inv+
3S=D GF
4C=5-5 majos GF
4D=texas
4H=texas
Over 1N 3D
3H=spades inv+
3S=hearts GF
4C=clubs GF
4D=5-5 majors GF
ALERTNATIVELY
4D=texas
4H=texas
Over 1N 3H
X=4+ spades
then 3S=3 spades, 3N=2 spades, 4x=4 spades and cue
3S=GF no heart stopper no 4 spades.
I play the same, except:
1NT-(3C)-3S=xfer to 3NT without stop, but that is probably just another naming of the same bid.
1NT-(3H)-DBL=Takeout; We play that (3H)-DBL is transfer S, like you play after (1NT)-3H so maybe it is logic if we would do the same.
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Posted 2012-February-12, 04:58
I have one thing to add to Justin's suggestion: double should be game-forcing.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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