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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2012-January-17, 15:44

AJ10x
97xx
KQx
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(pass)-2-(pass)-??

2=weak 2 in a major

We are Vul, they aren't, IMPs, RHO hesitates before pass.
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Posted 2012-January-17, 16:07

Depends on style, how good can prds cards be. If u open every 10+ hands with 6 card major 1M then i would bid 3 as pass or correct, if not then 2 Nt asking.
RHO will be hesitating rest of the time, his train went already B-).
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Posted 2012-January-17, 16:24

with a partner who has IMPs sanity 3 :)
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Posted 2012-January-17, 16:26

It's the usual stuff... if pard has a major singleton, game is good. Else it's bad.
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Posted 2012-January-17, 16:36

its on a precision context.
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Posted 2012-January-17, 17:31

What do you play over 2NT! ( ask ) by Responder ?
2D! - 2NT! ("ask" )
.. 3C! = Max weak-2 in a major; 3D!= relay, bid the major you don't have .
.. 3D! = Min weak-2 in ( transfer )
.. 3H! = Min weak-2 in ( transfer )
.. 3S! = A K Q .. solid
..3NT! = A K Q .. solid

The question is whether Responder is strong enough to "ask" and then go to game if a Max in .
However, with a max in , I think I would rather not be in game.
But the above structure won't allow a sign-off in 3H when Opener shows a max in ( with a 3S! bid ) .
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Posted 2012-January-17, 17:48

Interesting...really no way to know if game is solid unless you have spot on reply bids.

Really only interested in spades here (hoping for partner to have 6 spades w/ KQ and 9-11 pts.

Probably bid 2H and if your partners suit is spades I would go up to game.

(Assuming 2H is a simple weak bid)...
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Posted 2012-January-18, 03:31

View PostRunemPard, on 2012-January-17, 17:48, said:

Interesting...really no way to know if game is solid unless you have spot on reply bids.

Really only interested in spades here (hoping for partner to have 6 spades w/ KQ and 9-11 pts.

Probably bid 2H and if your partners suit is spades I would go up to game.

(Assuming 2H is a simple weak bid)...


What style of multi do you play? If it is weak only, I would bid 4 p/c. If you could have lots of strong hands, 2 or 2NT to see what partner has.
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Posted 2012-January-18, 15:08

View PostTWO4BRIDGE, on 2012-January-17, 17:31, said:

What do you play over 2NT! ( ask ) by Responder ?
2D! - 2NT! ("ask" )
.. 3C! = Max weak-2 in a major; 3D!= relay, bid the major you don't have .
.. 3D! = Min weak-2 in ( transfer )
.. 3H! = Min weak-2 in ( transfer )
.. 3S! = A K Q .. solid
..3NT! = A K Q .. solid

The question is whether Responder is strong enough to "ask" and then go to game if a Max in .
However, with a max in , I think I would rather not be in game.
But the above structure won't allow a sign-off in 3H when Opener shows a max in ( with a 3S! bid ) .


Why assume that 2NT is an 'ask' by responder?
It's more efficient to play that 2NT is a puppet to 3C, for responder to describe their hand, and that 3C asks for suit and min/max
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Posted 2012-January-18, 16:00

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It's more efficient to play that 2NT is a puppet to 3C, for responder to describe their hand, and that 3C asks for suit and min/max


I am not sure. I think hands which want to describe themselves opposite multi are relatively rare and hands which wants to ask about stuff like strength, suit quality etc are frequent, you also want to right side the contract.
I would be happy with 2N ask and 3C puppet.
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Posted 2012-January-19, 05:35

This time partner had the perfect hand for 4M to make:

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AKJ10xx
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I bid 3 and passed 4 for -130 losed 5 to 5-1
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Posted 2012-January-19, 06:23

Yup, that's what I thought: with the right singleton across, it makes.

I've been observing his trend. Might very well revise my weak 2 responses.
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Posted 2012-January-19, 13:23

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AKQxxx
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KQxxxx
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+A elsewhere and game is good, and the 3 level is fairly safe . So it all depend of what are you enquiry responses are. Not obvious. Sometimes bidding a chicken 2H and depending on where the opps compete you reevaluate your hand but here its not really possible since if they compete in clubs partner will be more likely to have 2C than a stiff club.
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Posted 2012-January-19, 16:07

View Postwhereagles, on 2012-January-17, 16:26, said:

It's the usual stuff... if pard has a major singleton, game is good. Else it's bad.



{hand posted with club singleton}

View Postwhereagles, on 2012-January-19, 06:23, said:

Yup, that's what I thought: with the right singleton across, it makes.I've been observing his trend. Might very well revise my weak 2 responses.

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Posted 2012-January-20, 06:28

And your point is?
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