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Redouble? Your bid ACBL

Poll: Your bid (29 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your bid?

  1. Redouble (16 votes [55.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 55.17%

  2. Pass (10 votes [34.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.48%

  3. 3 Spades (3 votes [10.34%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.34%

  4. 3NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Something else (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   dickiegera 

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Posted 2011-October-30, 08:37

3 Hearts alerted as transfer


What is best bid by North?
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Posted 2011-October-30, 09:15

I'll turn the cube. If partner has at least 2 hearts and any tricks he'll sit, otherwise he can run.
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Posted 2011-October-30, 09:39

View PostBunnyGo, on 2011-October-30, 09:15, said:

I'll turn the cube. If partner has at least 2 hearts and any tricks he'll sit, otherwise he can run.


Agreed. I would triple if I could.
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Posted 2011-October-30, 10:07

View Postggwhiz, on 2011-October-30, 09:39, said:

Agreed. I would triple if I could.


Ditto
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Posted 2011-October-30, 12:22

It doesn't hurt to discuss these auctions. Our agreements are:

3♠ = 3/4-card spade support, not 5 hearts
3NT = no spade support, bad hearts (a 2NT opener is assumed to have at least one heart honour, without that you probably have to invent a 3rd spade)
Pass = something decent in hearts, inviting partner to redouble
Redouble = please pass unless you have something unusual (e.g. 6 spades, 1 heart and a 0-count)

So for me this is a pass, rather than a redouble, but that is by agreement.
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Posted 2011-October-30, 12:48

View PostBunnyGo, on 2011-October-30, 09:15, said:

I'll turn the cube. If partner has at least 2 hearts and any tricks he'll sit, otherwise he can run.

Hey !!! That's a backgammon term. Anyhow xx here for me playing BG or bridge. However, if PD passes with 2 small ♥ it may be possible to be set.
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Posted 2011-October-30, 13:59

View PostFrancesHinden, on 2011-October-30, 12:22, said:

It doesn't hurt to discuss these auctions. Our agreements are:

3♠ = 3/4-card spade support, not 5 hearts
3NT = no spade support, bad hearts (a 2NT opener is assumed to have at least one heart honour, without that you probably have to invent a 3rd spade)
Pass = something decent in hearts, inviting partner to redouble
Redouble = please pass unless you have something unusual (e.g. 6 spades, 1 heart and a 0-count)

So for me this is a pass, rather than a redouble, but that is by agreement.


Yes, very good point. My most recent partnership had the agreement:

3♠ = 3/4 card spade support not 5 hearts
3NT = undiscussed, but would assume at the table it showed extra-values but no desire to play 3♥XX
Pass=2 spades, no extras, no desire to play 3♥XX
XX = a desire to play opposite xx of hearts and an invitational+ hand.
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Posted 2011-October-30, 17:45

I would never want to play redoubled 3♥ vs pd's xx♥ with this hand.
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Posted 2011-October-30, 18:03

I would also prefer to xx on this hand.
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Posted 2011-October-30, 20:10

We have a below average 2NT opening and a slightly better than average heart holding. Why exactly are people redoubling?
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Posted 2011-October-30, 23:25

View Posttwoshy, on 2011-October-30, 20:10, said:

We have a below average 2NT opening and a slightly better than average heart holding. Why exactly are people redoubling?

:P You are telling with the redouble: a) I don't have spades with you. b) I have four decent hearts behind the doubler, so don't sweat bidding 3NT. c) If you have some modest heart holding and some high cards, YOU figure out how 3♥ redoubled will play.

Your hand is thereby closely defined by high cards and major suit distribution (probably 2-4). Let partner figure out what to do and place the contract.
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Posted 2011-October-31, 00:25

View Postdickiegera, on 2011-October-30, 08:37, said:

What is bestsystemic bid by North?

Altered your post because others have covered the debate on what is "best" for those who prefer to have 3-card support for the spade suit in order to bid 3 spades; and that is reasonable.

However, we use 3S as a "go-bid", which tells partner it is O.K. to follow through with any original plan she had. I either have 3 in spades, or heart stoppers. If partner has six spades, she was making a mild slam try (no texas). If she only has 5, and the opps raise spades she can double or pass (pass if she had crap and was going to pass 3S).

Redouble would be a surprise heart holding which really would like to try 3HXX, and the given hand isn't it. Pass would deny 3 spade cards AND deny adequate heart stop(s).

The advantage to this non-standard treatment comes when partner can bid 3NT with only 5 spades and no heart stop, thus keeping the "mild slam try" 4S bid ---which she couldn't have available if the eight-card fit were known and she had no heart stop.

This post has been edited by aguahombre: 2011-October-31, 00:36

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Posted 2011-October-31, 13:34

This is a matter of agreement and my agreement is close to Aguahombre's. I would bid 3♠, saying that I am not worried about the hearts and that we can just bid as if RHO had passed.

A redouble would show a 5 card suit. A pass would deny a (decent) heart stop.

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Posted 2011-November-01, 01:25

I would just pass - XX for me is 5 or very good 4 (AKQ style).
Pass denies 3 or more spades for me, and partner can figure out what would be best.
I dont have a great hand, and the chances that partner has a weak hand just went up.
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Posted 2011-November-01, 02:17

Doesn't look like a xx to me. I prefer some spots to go along with my AJxx.
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Posted 2011-November-01, 02:22

Yeah I think XX is very bad with only 4 to the AJ and no spots.
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Posted 2011-November-01, 11:44

XX is a good way to go down in 3♥XX when I'm cold for slam.
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Posted 2011-November-01, 14:00

I would pass. Better still if you play this shows no 3 spades.
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Posted 2011-November-02, 04:30

Pass, the suit is poor quality.
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Posted 2011-November-04, 19:02

I would bid 3♠ showing no ♠ Fit and ♥ Stopper...
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