[joker_gib]

Totally agree with junyi_zhu, 1NT is the more descriptive bid and since you have a lot of space to investigate for stoppers, I really don't see why it should be preferable to lie in ♣ or on the length in ♦.

These lies can be catastrophic in further bids and can lead to poor games or slams !

[luke warm]

rebidding 2s isn't done because "a 5 card suit is rebiddable"... so there's definitely a difference between the two

i can't recall the last time i rebid a 5 card m... it's one of those things i hardly think about

[junyi_zhu]

luke warm, on Oct 19 2004, 09:52 AM, said:

rebidding 2s isn't done because "a 5 card suit is rebiddable"... so there's definitely a difference between the two

i can't recall the last time i rebid a 5 card m... it's one of those things i hardly think about

You may have some problems bidding this hand:
Sx HAKxx DAKxxx Cxxx
Over 1D 1S,
you probably want to rebid 2D with 5 diamonds.
2H would be an overbid, 1NT would be an underbid, 2C really does you no good.

Another thing is that if you always open 1D with 4-5 in minors, you may have a hard time to show them later and partner has a hard time to give a false preference because
you may play 4-2 fit in that case:
for example, partner may hold:
SKxx HJxxxx Dxx CKQx
if you open 1D and rebid 2C with 4-5 two suiters, partner would be quite out of bid here.
Pass can be risky because you may hold 17 or bad 18. 2D would probably lead to a 4-2 diamond fit on a bad day. 3C would probably lead to 4-3 fit at three level. 2H doesn't make sense either. 2N is an overbid. Also, you might miss minor suit games or slams because partner doesn't know your exact shape. So this treatment is probably not bad for MP, but might not be very good for IMP.

[luke warm]

junyi_zhu, on Oct 20 2004, 02:38 AM, said:

luke warm, on Oct 19 2004, 09:52 AM, said:

rebidding 2s isn't done because "a 5 card suit is rebiddable"... so there's definitely a difference between the two

i can't recall the last time i rebid a 5 card m... it's one of those things i hardly think about

You may have some problems bidding this hand:
Sx HAKxx DAKxxx Cxxx
Over 1D 1S,
you probably want to rebid 2D with 5 diamonds.
2H would be an overbid, 1NT would be an underbid, 2C really does you no good.

Another thing is that if you always open 1D with 4-5 in minors, you may have a hard time to show them later and partner has a hard time to give a false preference because
you may play 4-2 fit in that case:
for example, partner may hold:
SKxx HJxxxx Dxx CKQx
if you open 1D and rebid 2C with 4-5 two suiters, partner would be quite out of bid here.
Pass can be risky because you may hold 17 or bad 18. 2D would probably lead to a 4-2 diamond fit on a bad day. 3C would probably lead to 4-3 fit at three level. 2H doesn't make sense either. 2N is an overbid. Also, you might miss minor suit games or slams because partner doesn't know your exact shape. So this treatment is probably not bad for MP, but might not be very good for IMP.

at this time i have no problems with either... the system i'm attempting to learn has guaranteed canape, so i'd open 1h with the first hand... as for the club suit, the system has ways to show whether it's longer or shorter than the other suit (since 1c is s.a.f.)

but i agree, in standard there could be a problem

[Rebound]

I can't understand why there aren't more advocates for passing over RHO's 1♠ bid. You have a partner. You have a crappy minimum. You don't really have anything to tell your partner, so why not wait to see what your partner can tell you?

[Rebound]

I feel I should add I skipped reading pretty much any post that didn't mention passing this hand.

[HeartA]

Rebound, on Oct 20 2004, 12:08 PM, said:

I can't understand why there aren't more advocates for passing over RHO's 1♠ bid. You have a partner. You have a crappy minimum. You don't really have anything to tell your partner, so why not wait to see what your partner can tell you?

Read it carefully, Rebound. It is partner who bid 1♠ (after LHO bid 1H) which is forcing.

Nobody here is that kind of novice not to know pass if RHO bid 1♠.

[Rebound]

oopsie lol

[Rebound]

Well, that certainly places a different complexion on things.

I'm for 2♠ in that case. It seems the best call to me.