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You are playing 2/1, and 1♠ by partner is 100% forcing and shows 5+ spades.
Do you have the agreement that 1NT does not imply a stopper? If so, will partner ask for stoppers on the way to 3NT?
The smallest lie Or do you have an agreement?
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Posted 2004-October-03, 12:35
You are playing 2/1, and 1♠ by partner is 100% forcing and shows 5+ spades.
Do you have the agreement that 1NT does not imply a stopper? If so, will partner ask for stoppers on the way to 3NT?
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Posted 2004-October-03, 12:45
I rebid 1NT reluctantly.
It doesn't guarantee a stopper, but we like to have one
Partner probably doesn't ask for a heart stopper on the
way to 3NT. Down it goes, so it goes, we bid our games
In real life, I open this hand 1NT.
Peter
It doesn't guarantee a stopper, but we like to have one
Partner probably doesn't ask for a heart stopper on the
way to 3NT. Down it goes, so it goes, we bid our games
In real life, I open this hand 1NT.
Peter
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Posted 2004-October-03, 12:45
I envision most of the posters will bid 1N, but its 2♣ for me.
xxx isn't a stopper. If we are heading toward NT; let pard bid it. Like Al Roth used to say, if I can get by 2♣ I'll be in great shape.
My 'sharp' hand suggests playing in a suit somewhere, and I don't like rebidding my ragged diamond suit or raising partner on my only ruffing value.
xxx isn't a stopper. If we are heading toward NT; let pard bid it. Like Al Roth used to say, if I can get by 2♣ I'll be in great shape.
My 'sharp' hand suggests playing in a suit somewhere, and I don't like rebidding my ragged diamond suit or raising partner on my only ruffing value.
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Posted 2004-October-03, 12:55
i'm with peter on this one... i rebid 1nt, it doesn't promise anything except the shape/range for the bid... and i'd have opened it 1nt to avoid this problem... true, maybe i'd have had other problems 
... but i can live with it
... but i can live with it
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Posted 2004-October-03, 14:07
1NT. You can always cue 2H later in search of a stop.
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Posted 2004-October-03, 16:08
Just pass this hand in the first place. This ain't an opening for me, unless in weak opening systems and weak/mini NT...
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Posted 2004-October-03, 16:17
2♠
1. Partner has promised 5 spades, so we have a known 7 card fit
2. With aces and spaces, the hand is suit oriented
3. This bid will force the opponents to compete at the three level
passing rather than opening is almost unthinkable
1. Partner has promised 5 spades, so we have a known 7 card fit
2. With aces and spaces, the hand is suit oriented
3. This bid will force the opponents to compete at the three level
passing rather than opening is almost unthinkable
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Posted 2004-October-03, 16:36
pclayton, on Oct 3 2004, 01:45 PM, said:
I envision most of the posters will bid 1N, but its 2♣ for me.
xxx isn't a stopper. If we are heading toward NT; let pard bid it. Like Al Roth used to say, if I can get by 2♣ I'll be in great shape.
My 'sharp' hand suggests playing in a suit somewhere, and I don't like rebidding my ragged diamond suit or raising partner on my only ruffing value.
xxx isn't a stopper. If we are heading toward NT; let pard bid it. Like Al Roth used to say, if I can get by 2♣ I'll be in great shape.
My 'sharp' hand suggests playing in a suit somewhere, and I don't like rebidding my ragged diamond suit or raising partner on my only ruffing value.
This one looks right for me ...
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Just pass this hand in the first place. This ain't an opening for me, unless in weak opening systems and weak/mini NT...
Pass with 6 controls and 5th suit, what's the name of your teacher?
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Posted 2004-October-03, 17:25
The only possible bids here are 1NT and 2♣. You don't want to bid 2♦ and maybe play there in that horrid five card suit. Nor do you want to raise on this distriubtion. And cue bid with this? You got to be kidding. Once you eliminate 2♦ and 2♠, what is left? 2♣ and 1NT. 1NT is likely to put you in notrump with a suit oriented hand (if partner is, as expect, is short in hearts). 2♣ allows you three possible strains, clubs, diamonds and spades. Wouldn't it be great if you catch partner with 5-5 in the blacks with your two club bid.
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Posted 2004-October-03, 19:35
1NT to me, I am not sure if it promises a stopper, it may look extrange but this auction never happened to me , what I am sure about is the meaning of 1X-1Y-X-p-1NT wich happens more often and promises just any 12-14 balanced without a bidable 4 card major.
, what I am sure about is the meaning of 1X-1Y-X-p-1NT wich happens more often and promises just any 12-14 balanced without a bidable 4 card major.
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Posted 2004-October-03, 22:56
Free, on Oct 3 2004, 05:08 PM, said:
Just pass this hand in the first place. This ain't an opening for me, unless in weak opening systems and weak/mini NT...
Free.... what happened, man? I thought you were a bidder.
This hand has 3 Aces.... 6 controls...
Passing is a crime in all systems except FP.
Reminds me of the apocryphal (?) story of the American expert who passed with 3 Aces. His sneaky partner also passed with ten solid, hoping to walk the dog.
After the hand was passed out one said to the other, "What did you have?". To which the expert replied, "Not much, just three Aces".
I'm cancelling my trip to Antwerp now.
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Posted 2004-October-04, 03:38
2♣. I don't want to play 1NT on this hand, and I have no stopper.
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Posted 2004-October-04, 05:29
1 NT (no stopper guaranteed!)
To Free : If 3 aces are not an opening, what kind of 12 HCP do you open ??
To Free : If 3 aces are not an opening, what kind of 12 HCP do you open ??
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Posted 2004-October-04, 05:39
Free, on Oct 3 2004, 05:08 PM, said:
Just pass this hand in the first place. This ain't an opening for me, unless in weak opening systems and weak/mini NT...
what a surprise, i thought you are one of those who like opening 10 hcp hand, this is 12 with a 5 cards and 3 aces, even the biggest underbider (me) cant pass it.
29 zar points if i still remember how to count those.
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Posted 2004-October-04, 05:43
hrothgar, on Oct 3 2004, 05:17 PM, said:
2♠
1. Partner has promised 5 spades, so we have a known 7 card fit
2. With aces and spaces, the hand is suit oriented
3. This bid will force the opponents to compete at the three level
passing rather than opening is almost unthinkable
1. Partner has promised 5 spades, so we have a known 7 card fit
2. With aces and spaces, the hand is suit oriented
3. This bid will force the opponents to compete at the three level
passing rather than opening is almost unthinkable
Must be fun to play a free style like yours, i should try it.
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Posted 2004-October-04, 06:15
I vote for 2C. If discussed with pd about this situation I may venture 1N.
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Posted 2004-October-04, 06:16
So you have 6 controls. Do you have any possibilities for tricks? Your 3 Aces, and that's it...
As I said it depends on what system I play: in MOSCITO or any light opening system I'll open it without hesitation, and I'll take it as a propper hand, not garbage. However with this Vulnerability, scoring and playing 2/1, I don't feel the need to open this hand - 8 losers! Your partner will have 4 Kings and you'll go -3 in 3NT
Most players will open this hand anyway, and if I would've done it, I'll rebid 1NT now... I don't need a stop for a 1NT bid when I'm in front of the overcaller. Partner should realize this, and bid accordingly.
As I said it depends on what system I play: in MOSCITO or any light opening system I'll open it without hesitation, and I'll take it as a propper hand, not garbage. However with this Vulnerability, scoring and playing 2/1, I don't feel the need to open this hand - 8 losers! Your partner will have 4 Kings and you'll go -3 in 3NT
Most players will open this hand anyway, and if I would've done it, I'll rebid 1NT now... I don't need a stop for a 1NT bid when I'm in front of the overcaller. Partner should realize this, and bid accordingly.
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Posted 2004-October-04, 06:17
Free, on Oct 3 2004, 10:08 PM, said:
Just pass this hand in the first place. This ain't an opening for me, unless in weak opening systems and weak/mini NT...
Free, as a light opener you pass a three aces hand this time? Even rock sound player would open this i assure you:)
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Posted 2004-October-04, 08:10
Free, on Oct 4 2004, 07:16 AM, said:
So you have 6 controls. Do you have any possibilities for tricks? Your 3 Aces, and that's it...
Every expert (and non expert I would say) knows that aces are far more efficient than any other cards !
Alain
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Posted 2004-October-04, 09:06
I open this hand 1♦ playing 2/1 without any regrets. I open it 1NT playing weak notrump without any regrets. It is true aces are worth only "one trick" but they also command the suit, winning that trick when it is most advantageous to our side. Change one of the aces to a king? I still open 1D or 1NT... :-)
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