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Posted 2011-August-25, 13:25



Opponents have destroyed your plan to reverse into spades with their pre-emption. What's your call?

Appreciate your thoughts for both a pickup partnership and any relevant special treatments you may have with established partners.

This was a pickup partnership. Only remotely relevant discussion on doubles had been that negative/responsive doubles are through 4.
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Posted 2011-August-25, 13:29

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Posted 2011-August-26, 21:06

View Postwyman, on 2011-August-25, 13:29, said:

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Is the standard meaning of this double clear? Is it takeout-ish suggesting spades? Is it penalty?

Or is there no accepted "standard" meaning and it's completely subject to partnership agreements?
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Posted 2011-August-26, 22:52

"Everything" is subject to partnership agreement as lurpoa will tell us. But double should be takeout, playing penalty doubles when they have a big fit and both your hand and your partners hand are very undefined does not make a lot of sense.
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Posted 2011-August-27, 03:50

Indeed. Dbl is totally clear.
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Posted 2011-August-27, 08:48

I think you should have the agreement with partner that over 1-2NT (unusual, minors) that 3 and 3 are cuebids and you can work out exactly what they mean. I think I used to play 3 showed a limit raise or better in support of hearts. I think double should be for takeout. I think a double of 2NT should be penalty-oriented showing strength in one or both minors.
Edit: I think we played 3 as a mixed raise.
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Posted 2011-August-27, 08:54

View PostVM1973, on 2011-August-27, 08:48, said:

I think you should have the agreement with partner that over 1-2NT (unusual, minors) that 3 and 3 are cuebids and you can work out exactly what they mean. I think I used to play 3 showed a limit raise or better in support of hearts. I think double should be for takeout. I think a double of 2NT should be penalty-oriented showing strength in one or both minors.
Edit: I think we played 3 as a mixed raise.

This thread is about what South should do at his second turn, not what North should have done.
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Posted 2011-August-27, 09:04

View PostBbradley62, on 2011-August-27, 08:54, said:

This thread is about what South should do at his second turn, not what North should have done.

You're right. I'm sorry... I thought when the original poster said:

"Appreciate your thoughts for both a pickup partnership and any relevant special treatments you may have with established partners."

that he was inviting me to share any relevant special treatments I may have had with established partners.
My bad.
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