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1. 1♦ 3♠?
2. 1♦ 2♦(invert minor)
2NT 3♣
3♦ 4♠?
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what the difference of this sequence derect splinter and delay splinter?
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Posted 2004-September-20, 21:29
SYS:2 over 1,opps keep silence
1. 1♦ 3♠?
2. 1♦ 2♦(invert minor)
2NT 3♣
3♦ 4♠?
thx
1. 1♦ 3♠?
2. 1♦ 2♦(invert minor)
2NT 3♣
3♦ 4♠?
thx
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Posted 2004-September-21, 01:24
With no further agreements I would assume that 2) wanted to show a club feature before slintering, i.e. he has a side suit that is too good for a splinter. It would make sense to play 4♠ as Xclusion Blackwood here.
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Posted 2004-September-22, 13:26
1. Easy: prototypical hand is 1363 and 13-16 playing points. With more, start with 2♦.
2. NOT easy.
. The second sequence sounds like exclusion blackwood to be honest, especially playing a lower level key card ask for ♦'s.
By the way, 3♣ sets up a game force, and this hand needs to play the NT, so I like 3N better than 3♦ to help put the brakes on.
I'm not enamored about opening this aceless 12 count either, but I suppose most would.
2. NOT easy.
. The second sequence sounds like exclusion blackwood to be honest, especially playing a lower level key card ask for ♦'s. By the way, 3♣ sets up a game force, and this hand needs to play the NT, so I like 3N better than 3♦ to help put the brakes on.
I'm not enamored about opening this aceless 12 count either, but I suppose most would.
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Posted 2004-September-22, 17:55
pclayton, on Sep 22 2004, 09:26 PM, said:
I'm not enamored about opening this aceless 12 count either, but I suppose most would.
uh huh
... 1nt (heck, i'm max controls for my minimum)... agree with both of you, i think #2 4S is xrkc
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Posted 2004-September-23, 01:30
I think slightly differently.
1) is a typical splinter, np. We are all ok with that (well, as long as you don't play 3♠ over 1♦ as preemptive with spades, that is, which is how i play it)....
2) Since 3♠ wasn't available to me the first go around, I guess I can use 4♠ as splinter if I like, or I can keep it as exclusion blackwood...but here is what I like 4♠ to be after I introduce a new suit...
1♦-2♦ (invert)
2NT-3♣ (game force, clubs)
3♦-4♠ <<---
Ok, I agree this is exclusion blackwood, but with a twist, the king of clubs is now a key card, and my responses allow showing minor queen.
Also, if I rebid 4♦ over 3♦ that is normal minorwood - but with two suit agreement. If I rebid 3NT over 3♦ mild slam try unsuited for minorwood. And if I cue-bid something else, it is just a cue-bid and then if I use minorwood/rkcb later it is normal rkcb.
Ben
1) is a typical splinter, np. We are all ok with that (well, as long as you don't play 3♠ over 1♦ as preemptive with spades, that is, which is how i play it)....
2) Since 3♠ wasn't available to me the first go around, I guess I can use 4♠ as splinter if I like, or I can keep it as exclusion blackwood...but here is what I like 4♠ to be after I introduce a new suit...
1♦-2♦ (invert)
2NT-3♣ (game force, clubs)
3♦-4♠ <<---
Ok, I agree this is exclusion blackwood, but with a twist, the king of clubs is now a key card, and my responses allow showing minor queen.
Also, if I rebid 4♦ over 3♦ that is normal minorwood - but with two suit agreement. If I rebid 3NT over 3♦ mild slam try unsuited for minorwood. And if I cue-bid something else, it is just a cue-bid and then if I use minorwood/rkcb later it is normal rkcb.
Ben
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Posted 2004-September-23, 05:53
Because the first sequence uses so much room, it should be very specific. In particular, if partner has a lot of wasted values in ♠ and bids 3NT he should not be disappointed with your holdings in the other suits.
When you bid 2♦, you leave much more room to investigate whether 3NT or 5♦ is the correct contract. If opener rebids 2NT (as here) it might be a good idea to play a new suit at the 3 level as a splinter. Saying, in effect, "I have a singleton here also my hand wasn't suitable for an immediate splinter." That should allow opener to decide if NT is really the place to play.
Eric
When you bid 2♦, you leave much more room to investigate whether 3NT or 5♦ is the correct contract. If opener rebids 2NT (as here) it might be a good idea to play a new suit at the 3 level as a splinter. Saying, in effect, "I have a singleton here also my hand wasn't suitable for an immediate splinter." That should allow opener to decide if NT is really the place to play.
Eric
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