[jh51]

IMPs

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I was South, and I thought the East/West bidding was totally insane. If east has to bid, shouldn't he double with this shape? And where does West find two bids with a likely worthless K♦?

At the other table, 2♦ was the final contact, and it made 4. At our table, I led a diamond, and declarer ruffed. Declarer took led a trump to dummy and played another while partner and I played low. He then led a club, which I won. I cashed my trump ace and led another diamond to exhaust declarer's trump. He cashed 3 clubs, but the rest were ours. 9 IMPs our way.

Had it not been for the overcall, I would have bid 2NT as Ougust, and upon learning that partner had a good suit I would have tried 3NT. As the cards lay, it is cold. I would have to take the diamond finesse, but when it worked, the spade finesse is unnecissary and dangerous, so no overtrick.

[jjbrr]

Yeah west lost his mind. There's a good chance that if those are the cards partner needs to make game, partner already would have bid game himself.

This hand demonstrates well that if you work hard to make fewer mistakes, you can improve your results dramatically. It's silly to dump 9 imps on a nothing hand like this

[BunnyGo]

And yes, I think 2♥ isn't the worst bid of the auction, but I prefer double. This disaster was all west's doing.

[matmat]

ask for a recorder form?

[Bbradley62]

I think 2♦ is more strange as a final contract than 4♥x.

PS: If you're in 5♦, you'll make it.

[jonottawa]

It's far from clear that 3N would not make an overtrick.

Life is too short for me to dwell on my opponents' adventures. If it were me I'd be more interested in getting to 3N if partner has this hand or a better one in the future.

I'm curious, does anyone play that 2N retains its artificial (ogust/feature) meaning here or is that not playable? Even without that agreement you might have tried 3N instead of 4♦, giving partner a choice.

[gwnn]

jonottawa, on 2011-June-13, 21:04, said:

I'm curious, does anyone play that 2N retains its artificial (ogust/feature) meaning here or is that not playable? Even without that agreement you might have tried 3N instead of 4♦, giving partner a choice.

I think many people play that and it's playable.

[mgoetze]

jonottawa, on 2011-June-13, 21:04, said:

I'm curious, does anyone play that 2N retains its artificial (ogust/feature) meaning here or is that not playable?

Well, I think it's very unlikely that you'll ever want to play 2NT in this situation.

[Phil]

jonottawa, on 2011-June-13, 21:04, said:

I'm curious, does anyone play that 2N retains its artificial (ogust/feature) meaning here or is that not playable?

I play 2N is shortness asking in this sequence.

[jh51]

jonottawa, on 2011-June-13, 21:04, said:

It's far from clear that 3N would not make an overtrick.

Life is too short for me to dwell on my opponents' adventures. If it were me I'd be more interested in getting to 3N if partner has this hand or a better one in the future.

Since this was IMPs, once the Diamond finesse succeeds, I am taking my 9 tricks and not risking the spade finesse if I am in 3NT.

After the overcall, I was scared away from 3NT, since if it came down to a diamond finesse, which it does, I am finessing into the danger hand. Had he overcalled spades, I would have been more confident about bidding 3NT.

[jh51]

matmat, on 2011-June-13, 19:09, said:

ask for a recorder form?

Why? Is insanity something to be reported?

East is a regular at the club where I play. He is a notorious hand hog and overbidder. Because of this it is getting harder for him to find partners. If he had doubled, he would have been giving up the chance to be declarer.

[Bbradley62]

Phil, on 2011-June-14, 09:18, said:

jonottawa, on 2011-June-13, 21:04, said:

I'm curious, does anyone play that 2N retains its artificial (ogust/feature) meaning here or is that not playable?

I play 2N is shortness asking in this sequence.

How do you play 2N without the interference?

[Phil]

Bbradley62, on 2011-June-14, 11:27, said:

How do you play 2N without the interference?

Ogust usually.

[jonottawa]

jh51, on 2011-June-14, 10:34, said:

Since this was IMPs, once the Diamond finesse succeeds, I am taking my 9 tricks and not risking the spade finesse if I am in 3NT.

After winning the third ♥ (surely W will continue ♥ whether E encourages or not) and running the ♦, RHO will often pitch at least one ♥ and even if he doesn't, to not take the ♠ hook to guard against 2 completely random psychs (2 ♥ and 3 ♥) seems overcautious, to put it mildly.

Edit: Actually I guess here it's right to win the first ♥ (winning against KJx xxxxx Kx KQJ or similar with E.) I guess it's possible that you don't end up with enough information to safely take the ♠ hook, but I still think you usually do.

[Bbradley62]

Phil, on 2011-June-14, 11:44, said:

Ogust usually.

Not criticizing, just asking for my own education... why do you think Ogust is most useful without the interference, but shortness ask is most useful with it?

[Phil]

Bbradley62, on 2011-June-14, 12:42, said:

Not criticizing, just asking for my own education... why do you think Ogust is most useful without the interference, but shortness ask is most useful with it?

Because after the TOx, our best chance for a game is frequently when responder has no wasted values opposite opener's shortness, but when RHO passes Ogust will let us make more intelligent 3N/4M/slam evaluations.

YMMV.

[gwnn]

Phil, on 2011-June-14, 12:48, said:

Because after the TOx, our best chance for a game is frequently when responder has no wasted values opposite opener's shortness, but when RHO passes Ogust will let us make more intelligent 3N/4M/slam evaluations.

YMMV.

there was no TOx, the question was about

2D-(2H)-2NT

[Phil]

gwnn, on 2011-June-14, 12:51, said:

there was no TOx, the question was about

2D-(2H)-2NT

Ah, right you are. I keep looking at that East hand and keep telling myself how much I despise 2♥ and that a TOx is wtp.

I have a funny meaning I like to play for 2N in the above auction. Its a good 3♦ call with an honor. I can't think of a better meaning LOL.