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#1 User is offline   DarrenE 

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Posted 2011-May-24, 07:22

♠J
♥K87432
♦J
♣AQ853

You - Partner (no opps bidding)
1♥ - 1♠
2♣ - 4N
5♦(1) - 5♥
?

(1) 1 or 4 Key Cards (for clubs)
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Posted 2011-May-24, 08:45

Partner is asking about ♣Q, I'd respond 5NT since it's the only posive response I can make below 6♣.

If he wanted to blacky for ♥, then he should've bid 4NT immediately. If he was a decent player, he wouldn't bid 4NT that fast.
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Posted 2011-May-24, 09:58

Seems like partner has declared a club fit and all the keycards, I'd just bid 7♣ now.
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Posted 2011-May-24, 10:04

Partner never supported ♥ so I'll take it he's asking for the ♣Q. (As Free said partner should have forced or bid some other way if he wanted to play hearts). Anyway the way I bid now depends on agreement:

1. If the next available bid denies the queen and any other shows it with a specific king (with 5NT usually showing the queen with no outside king), I'd bid 6♣.

2. If returning to the trump suit denies the queen and any other shows the queen with specific kings I'd bid 5NT.

It's a matter of agreement, I guess.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2011-May-24, 10:08

Ask p, that he bids 4C the next time.

This gves more room, removes ambiquity and so on.

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Posted 2011-May-24, 10:09

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Posted 2011-May-24, 11:02

View PostSlmplicity, on 2011-May-24, 09:58, said:

Seems like partner has declared a club fit and all the keycards, I'd just bid 7♣ now.


If you have a firm agreement that a second ask guarantees all of the key cards, then 7♣ is clear.

I have that agreement, but not everyone does. If you don't have that agreement, all you can do is answer the question. I don't know what your methods would be to show the ♥K and the trump Q, or even if you can do so. But that is what I want to do.

One problem with not having a firm agreement about guaranteeing all of the key cards with the second ask is that partner may now go into a long tank and emerge with 6♣. Now you know that you should bid 7♣ but try explaining that to a committee.
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Posted 2011-May-24, 11:08

Parntner has all keycards, if he didnt he would just bid 6. So 7♣ is pretty obvious to me.
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Posted 2011-May-24, 11:31

Why do I get the feeling that the 5♥ call took an eternity to come out of the box?
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Posted 2011-May-24, 12:27

View PostPhil, on 2011-May-24, 11:31, said:

Why do I get the feeling that the 5♥ call took an eternity to come out of the box?


Depending on how you look at it, you are either almost right or completely wrong :)
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Posted 2011-May-24, 12:39

View PostPhil, on 2011-May-24, 11:31, said:

Why do I get the feeling that the 5♥ call took an eternity to come out of the box?


The 5♥ and/or the 4NT to make sure we know that 1 keycard won't cut the mustard
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Posted 2011-May-24, 18:11

I dont like 4N bid after 2C,I'd like to bid 2D 4th suit GF and get more information
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Posted 2011-May-25, 06:01

Thanks all for your responses.

What actually happened here is covered in this laws topic:

http://www.bridgebas...topic/46016-ui/
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Posted 2011-May-25, 07:19

Agree that, if pard is bidding properly, the 5♥ bid is a queen ask and that 7♣ is pretty obvious now.

The only bad thing that can happen is pard coming up with something like AQxx Axx Ax Kxxx, but that's unlikely. AQxx Ax Axx Kxxx is more probable.
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Posted 2011-May-25, 08:34

View PostDarrenE, on 2011-May-24, 07:22, said:

♠J
♥K87432
♦J
♣AQ853

You - Partner (no opps bidding)
1♥ - 1♠
2♣ - 4N
5♦(1) - 5♥
?

(1) 1 or 4 Key Cards (for clubs)


5N= CQ
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Posted 2011-May-25, 10:49

View PostDarrenE, on 2011-May-24, 07:22, said:

♠J
♥K87432
♦J
♣AQ853

You - Partner (no opps bidding)
1♥ - 1♠
2♣ - 4N
5♦(1) - 5♥
?

(1) 1 or 4 Key Cards (for clubs)



7c QC and lots of h tricks.

I dont think pard should be leaping to 4nt without
4 key cards like this.
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