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Posted 2011-February-09, 13:34

♠AQ82
♥Q53
♦K62
♣Q104


1NT-(2♠)-3♠, 1NT = 13-15, 3♠ = ♣s GF
3NT-4♣, 4♣ nat slam try
4NT-5♣, 4NT to play
??

at this point I wished I had bid 4♦ instead of 4NT, but it was too late, what is 5♣ now?, would you raise?.
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Posted 2011-February-10, 00:20

If she won't let me play in 3 or 4NT, I won't let her play in 5C. Bid 6.
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Posted 2011-February-10, 04:05

Why didn't I show my ♦ cue after 4♣? I've already shown ♠ values (otherwise bid 4♣ instead of 3NT), partner will be able to make a good decision. I hope we're playing 1430 :)
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Posted 2011-February-10, 09:30

View PostFluffy, on 2011-February-09, 13:34, said:

♠AQ82
♥Q53
♦K62
♣Q104


1NT-(2♠)-3♠, 1NT = 13-15, 3♠ = ♣s GF
3NT-4♣, 4♣ nat slam try
4NT-5♣, 4NT to play
??

at this point I wished I had bid 4♦ instead of 4NT, but it was too late, what is 5♣ now?, would you raise?.


This is an automatic 6♣ call! I mean you are playing MPs and 3NT is taking a bunch of tricks so you have to bid slam to compensate. [/sardonicism]
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Posted 2011-February-10, 11:12

I remember one of my partners once told me "Never play 5m at MPs, if you are going to play 5m, bid one more."

... So he opened 1m, I bid 2m, he splintered, I rebid 4m and he bid 5. I had some random unbalanced 11 or something, so I bid one more.
... Two hands later LHO opened 1♥, he bid 2♣, RHO bid 4♥, passed back to my partner who bid 5♣. I had a balanced six count, so I bid one more.
I was like 9 at the time, and after that I asked him if he would like to rethink his statement :)

Anyway, we have a total balanced minimum, with some wasted spade values. I don't think slam will be good, but in this case there isn't many bad things that can happen to 3N. Therefore I think we're forced into bidding 6♣.
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Posted 2011-February-10, 11:26

Who said this is matchpoints?
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Posted 2011-February-10, 11:27

View Postcherdano, on 2011-February-10, 11:26, said:

Who said this is matchpoints?

Oops, I instapass LOL

Thought the OP said MPs for some reason.
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Posted 2011-February-10, 17:03

Even if it was matchpoints, that would be a dreadful reason for bidding on. Partner also knows it's not matchpoints, he knows much more about my hand than I do about his, and he chose to play in 5♣ rather than 4NT.
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Posted 2011-February-12, 14:28

partner had a perfect hand for us

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♥A
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Posted 2011-February-12, 15:31

View PostFluffy, on 2011-February-12, 14:28, said:

partner had a perfect hand for us

♠K
♥A
♦Axxx
♣KJxxxxx


Would not have expected less on the auction. 4C/3NT is defined in the OP as a slam try, and 5C/4N doesn't change that ---merely shows the 7th club.
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Posted 2011-February-12, 16:38

View Postmtvesuvius, on 2011-February-10, 11:27, said:

Oops, I instapass LOL

Thought the OP said MPs for some reason.


He didn't say squat which is my real complaint and probably where you got MPs
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Posted 2011-February-19, 08:36

View Postaguahombre, on 2011-February-10, 00:20, said:

If she won't let me play in 3 or 4NT, I won't let her play in 5C. Bid 6.


Fair enough. But I'll pass.
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