Is 2♣ simply a preference between ♣ / ♦ or does it show some values?
Trouble with Support (re)doubles - II
#1
Posted 2011-February-07, 11:02
Is 2♣ simply a preference between ♣ / ♦ or does it show some values?
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#2
Posted 2011-February-07, 11:03
#3
Posted 2011-February-08, 03:10
#5
Posted 2011-February-08, 14:54
a.k.a. Appeal Without Merit
#6
Posted 2011-February-09, 13:52
Edit: Pass would be no more than a 1-card preference.
This post has been edited by gnasher: 2011-February-09, 13:53
#7
Posted 2011-February-09, 13:54
awm, on 2011-February-08, 14:54, said:
I knew you'd say that heh.
However, is it really likely partner is trapping into a 7 card fit when they didn't overcall 1♠?
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#8
Posted 2011-February-09, 13:57
Phil, on 2011-February-09, 13:54, said:
However, is it really likely partner is trapping into a 7 card fit when they didn't overcall 1♠?
It's happened before, against Meckstroth and Rodwell no less.
Perhaps it depends on how likely opponents are to really have a seven-card fit. I've seen the 1♠ psych plenty of times in this auction.
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#9
Posted 2011-February-10, 01:51
awm, on 2011-February-09, 13:57, said:
Perhaps it depends on how likely opponents are to really have a seven-card fit. I've seen the 1♠ psych plenty of times in this auction.
I don't get that. How will the spades be distributed around the table?
Going counterclockwise, I can see 3 with opener for the support XX, 1-3 with the doubler and then a psyche by responder on 0-2 spades. That leaves 5-9 spades in the direct position, that needs to bid now.
With a hand like that, I would certainly like to pass for penalty, but odds are that I won't have a hand like that since I would have (jump) overcalled over 1♥. Why would you reserve a bid to expose a psyche (a rare thing anyway) in a situation where the "suspected psyche" can't really be a psyche?
Rik
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#10
Posted 2011-February-10, 02:00
Phil, on 2011-February-07, 11:02, said:
Is 2♣ simply a preference between ♣ / ♦ or does it show some values?
I play:
2♣/♦: Preference and weak ("I don't want to be in this auction, but you forced me to.")
Pass: either no preference (Pass whatever partner picks) or constructive (make a voluntary bid).
This follows from our general agreements after an opponent redoubles. Changing our agreement just because their redouble was conventional or showed a degree of fit is too complicated for me.
Rik
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#11
Posted 2011-February-10, 02:46
Trinidad, on 2011-February-10, 01:51, said:
Going counterclockwise, I can see 3 with opener for the support XX, 1-3 with the doubler and then a psyche by responder on 0-2 spades. That leaves 5-9 spades in the direct position, that needs to bid now.
With a hand like that, I would certainly like to pass for penalty, but odds are that I won't have a hand like that since I would have (jump) overcalled over 1♥. Why would you reserve a bid to expose a psyche (a rare thing anyway) in a situation where the "suspected psyche" can't really be a psyche?
Rik
I would guess this is a hand with 3-4 good spades and a heart stack? Lead trumps please partner.
#12
Posted 2011-February-11, 03:14
Trinidad, on 2011-February-10, 01:51, said:
Going counterclockwise, I can see 3 with opener for the support XX, 1-3 with the doubler and then a psyche by responder on 0-2 spades. That leaves 5-9 spades in the direct position, that needs to bid now.
With a hand like that, I would certainly like to pass for penalty, but odds are that I won't have a hand like that since I would have (jump) overcalled over 1♥. Why would you reserve a bid to expose a psyche (a rare thing anyway) in a situation where the "suspected psyche" can't really be a psyche?
Rik
karlson, on 2011-February-10, 02:46, said:
I think that playing pass as "penalty pass of hearts, with spades" is reasonable. Playing pass as "exposing a psyche" is not. If you wanted to expose the spade psyche on your left, you could have done so by bidding spades before it was LHO turn to call.
Rik
The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the new discoveries, is not “Eureka!” (I found it!), but “That’s funny…” – Isaac Asimov
The only reason God did not put "Thou shalt mind thine own business" in the Ten Commandments was that He thought that it was too obvious to need stating. - Kenberg
#13
Posted 2011-February-11, 05:37
note here there are about 5 or more questions/
#14
Posted 2011-February-11, 14:04
1.
pass = let it be
2m = my choice
2.
pass = you choose
2m = really prefer this
Since #1 is inconsitant with pass the previous round, #2 is the logical choice.