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I underbid this one vs 3 level preempt.

#1 User is offline   benlessard 

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Posted 2010-December-11, 16:04

At imps i should have bid 4 but decent payers didnt 4 too so maybe its not so clear ?

Partner is agressive and 6 carder is possible.
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Posted 2010-December-11, 16:12



imps vs strong opps at your table

sorry if you find this 1 obvious
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
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Posted 2010-December-11, 16:54

First problem pass, second 3NT
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Posted 2010-December-11, 20:57

View Postbenlessard, on 2010-December-11, 16:04, said:

At imps i should have bid 4 but decent payers didnt 4 too so maybe its not so clear ?

Partner is agressive and 6 carder is possible.


At these colors playing IMPS my best partner (RIP) said I needed a 2 opener to raise this call so either the requirements for 2 have dropped or your partner has a lot more than you expected :)
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Posted 2010-December-11, 23:42

I expect that 4 gets reached only when it is opened. Partner is much too strong at these colors.
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Posted 2010-December-12, 01:57

I don't think 3 bid is too strong with a lousy suit and no singleton. You may bid or pass as North hand, both bids are reasonable for me. The outcome of your decision will not depend on only what partner has most of the time. Whether you pass or bid 4 you won't even know if you are in right or wrong contract untill the 3rd 4th or 5th trick in the play.

Second hand i am bidding game though, regardless.
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Posted 2010-December-12, 03:25

I think <P> P <P> 1NT,
<P> 2D (->H) <P> 2H,
<P> 4H.
Gets to 4H always.
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Posted 2010-December-12, 15:35

partner opened in second position, I expect 3NT to be cold after a non heart lead and that's my bid
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Posted 2010-December-12, 17:43

Fluffy, do your partners really not open 3 in second seat at favourable on x KJ10xxxx xxx xx?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-December-12, 17:46

I hate the 3 opening on Ax K10xxxxx J10 xx. The suit is mediocre, it has a side ace, it's 7222, and it's in second seat. I've lost count of how many flaws that is, but it's definitely too many.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-December-12, 18:08

View Postgnasher, on 2010-December-12, 17:46, said:

I hate the 3 opening on Ax K10xxxxx J10 xx. The suit is mediocre, it has a side ace, it's 7222, and it's in second seat. I've lost count of how many flaws that is, but it's definitely too many.

agreed........there are a lot of players who seem to think that if they pass they deny a suit of this length, but they don't...they merely deny a hand suitable for a preempt. Pass may be a four letter word, but when one passes and then, if the opportunity arises, show a long heart suit and some values, partner may be far better positioned than after a misdescriptive preempt.

Look at how trivial this hand becomes after N opens a strong 1N
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Posted 2010-December-12, 21:35

View Postdake50, on 2010-December-12, 03:25, said:

I think <P> P <P> 1NT,
<P> 2D (->H) <P> 2H,
<P> 4H.
Gets to 4H always.


i dont think S is quite strong enough for this, but 1N:4D; 4H-P certainly works for me.
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Posted 2010-December-13, 03:16

View Postgnasher, on 2010-December-12, 17:43, said:

Fluffy, do your partners really not open 3 in second seat at favourable on x KJ10xxxx xxx xx?

Actually they sometimes do, but I don't :/
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Posted 2010-December-13, 06:31

View Postmikeh, on 2010-December-12, 18:08, said:


Look at how trivial this hand becomes after N opens a strong 1N


Only that North does not have a strong notrump. He has a weak one.

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Posted 2010-December-13, 09:44

View Postbenlessard, on 2010-December-11, 16:04, said:

At imps i should have bid 4 but decent payers didnt 4 too so maybe its not so clear ?

Partner is agressive and 6 carder is possible.

If the last sentence is correct, then I guess your partner should've opened 4. He's too strong for 3 at this vulnerability.
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Posted 2010-December-13, 10:11

View PostFluffy, on 2010-December-13, 03:16, said:

Actually they sometimes do, but I don't :/


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Posted 2010-December-16, 04:32

View Postbenlessard, on 2010-December-11, 16:04, said:

At imps i should have bid 4 but decent payers didnt 4 too so maybe its not so clear ?

Partner is agressive and 6 carder is possible.


Game is far less wonderful if opener doesn't have the spade ace which you don't promise and partner doesn't expect.
I really don't like preempting with a shabby suit and a side ace.
If you go for a number the opponents will probably not be able to make a slam.

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