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An Auction Forcing or Not?

#1 User is offline   kfay 

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Posted 2010-July-20, 20:03

1♦-2♣-Dbl-Rdbl
2♥-P-P-2♠

Was pass of 2♥ forcing?

Following from that then... is 2♠ forcing?

Rdbl is just HCPs, basically.
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Posted 2010-July-20, 20:34

Pass not forcing, you just overcalled.

2♠ I'm not sure on. If a direct 2♠ call isn't forcing then I think this 2♠ call is.
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Posted 2010-July-20, 20:39

Pass forcing, 2S not.
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Posted 2010-July-20, 21:31

I don't think pass is forcing
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Posted 2010-July-21, 03:54

I don't think pass should be forcing, and I think 2♠ clearly is. If I wanted it to be non-forcing I'd have bid it one round earlier.
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Posted 2010-July-21, 05:03

I wouldn't take either of them as forcing but 2♠ should perhaps be. Just don't be mad at me if I pass out your 2 level pass or 2M bid in competition where ownership is far from clear.
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Posted 2010-July-21, 06:16

gnasher, on Jul 21 2010, 04:54 AM, said:

I don't think pass should be forcing, and I think 2♠ clearly is. If I wanted it to be non-forcing I'd have bid it one round earlier.

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Posted 2010-July-21, 06:28

This hurts but I agree. Redouble can be a strong hand but often is just a decent hand with a doubleton club. That should not create a force. And as gnasher said, with 5+ spades and not enough to force we could have bid 2S on the previous round.
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Posted 2010-July-21, 12:08

Not forcing, unless you know opps are jokers.
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Posted 2010-July-21, 12:44

whereagles, on Jul 21 2010, 12:08 PM, said:

Not forcing, unless you know opps are jokers.

that was my concern, too. Everyone at the table is acting. However, that makes me wonder if 2S is even real length. Conclusion: it is something like 5-(3-3-2) and choice to play 2S or 3C. That hand might not choose to bid 2S or 3C on the previous round, but rather make a snappish redouble then show two places to play.

Edit: Maybe responder thought that, after the neg double, a direct 2S should guarantee 6 of them.
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Posted 2010-July-21, 15:03

Non-forcing does make sense too, double to show values and a doubleton club, then 2S to suggest spades, while a direct 2S would suggest a better suit.

Either way I now agree that pass is NF.
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Posted 2010-July-23, 03:49

if the double of opp shows both majors, i would think 2S after redouble is forcing
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