[Ai Hao]

How many wrong bids?

EW pass throughout

N -- S
1♠-2♣(GF)
2♥-2NT
3♠-4♣(slammish cuebid)
4♦-4♠
4NT-5♣
5♦-6♣(♣K♠Q)
6♠--

North hand:
♠AK8762
♥AT83
♦Q
♣65

South hand:
♠QJ
♥962
♦A432
♣KQ83

[jjbrr]

slammish cuebid definitely sounds like a wrong bid.

[inquiry]

One maybe two... assuming the responses to roman keycard were correct for the methods played.

the most wrong bid is 4♣, south barely had a 2♣ response, he should just raise 3♠ to four. QED

The maybe second wrong bid is 2♣ but that depends upon what
1S - 2N shows

or what

1S - 1N
2x - 2N shows....

and how light 1♠ openers can be.

[Siegmund]

Depending on the partnership's style, any or all of South's first 3 bids might be overbids. (Is 12 worth a game force? Does 2NT show extras in a fast-arrival context? Was cuebidding over 3S mandatory in an already-GF auction?)

I presume from the 4C and 4D bids that the cuebidding style is to show 2nd-round controls freely. So North knows about a certain heart loser when South fails to cuebid 4H, and must refuse slam with 1 keycard missing.

Since 6S is going off two for sure, I guess that is one trick's worth of blame to each partner.

[ArtK78]

I don't know the partnership methods, but one bid that has gone uncriticized is the 2♥ rebid.

The opening hand is a minimum opening bid. Therefore, opener should bid his 6-4 in this order: Spades, Spades, Hearts. Bidding the hearts second and the spades third indicates a stronger hand.

[TylerE]

AK A in the 6-4 suits is never a minimum opening to be, with anything at all on the side.

[ArtK78]

TylerE, on Jul 22 2010, 02:51 PM, said:

AK A in the 6-4 suits is never a minimum opening to be, with anything at all on the side.

Well, then, I guess they should have bid more.

[TylerE]

I'm not saying they should be more I just think that 1♠ - foo - 2♥ is the right way to bid the hand.

Save 1♠ .. 2♠ .. 3♥ for something like QJxxxx Axxx K Kx

[quiddity]

ArtK78, on Jul 22 2010, 02:44 PM, said:

The opening hand is a minimum opening bid. Therefore, opener should bid his 6-4 in this order: Spades, Spades, Hearts. Bidding the hearts second and the spades third indicates a stronger hand.

Strongly disagree, given that 2♠ might not necessarily show 6 spades and 3♥ might not necessarily show 4 hearts.

[ArtK78]

Apparently, the posters are afflicted by Forum disease. Since they normally open QJxxx QJxx Qx Qx, a hand like AKxxxx Axxx x xx is a powerhouse.



It is really only a slightly above-average opening hand, not enough to show any additional strength beyond showing the distribution. Once you have shown that you have 6-4 in the majors, you have pretty much described the hand.

Now, if you had AKT9xx AT9x x xx, the hand would be much better. Still not worth showing a real strong hand, but much better.

[peachy]

4C is the first wrong bid. Anything that follows or leads to a bad spot, has to be blamed on the 4C bid.

[peachy]

ArtK78, on Jul 22 2010, 03:42 PM, said:

Apparently, the posters are afflicted by Forum disease. Since they normally open QJxxx QJxx Qx Qx, a hand like AKxxxx Axxx x xx is a powerhouse.

Who does that, curious minds want to know
I see your smiley, but still not quite following.

[jjbrr]

Siegmund, on Jul 22 2010, 01:43 PM, said:

Does 2NT show extras in a fast-arrival context?

FA does not apply in NT.

[junyi_zhu]

Ai Hao, on Jul 22 2010, 07:28 PM, said:

How many wrong bids?

EW pass throughout

N -- S
1♠-2♣(GF)
2♥-2NT
3♠-4♣(slammish cuebid)
4♦-4♠
4NT-5♣
5♦-6♣(♣K♠Q)
6♠--

North hand:
♠AK8762
♥AT83
♦Q
♣65

South hand:
♠QJ
♥962
♦A432
♣KQ83

Of course if 4C shows a slamish hand, it's a wrong bid. Also, even if 4C shows some slam interest, 4NT is an overbid, which is also wrong IMO. Still, the most blame goes to the bad system in my opinion. After so many rounds of bids, none of the players defined their strength before the 4C. When you can only define your strength at 4 levels, it's usually too late.

[neilkaz]

One wonders what kind of drugs responder was on to think his absolute min GF with two card support and likely nothing to ruff was worth a "slammish cuebid" of 4♣. He has previously shown his value with 2♣ GF and 2NT rebid.

[manudude03]

The 2 worst bids are 4C and 4NT. Personally I prefer 1NT by South, but have no problems with 2C. The south hand is terrible for what it's shown. After ...4C 4D 4S, I'm having a hard time coming up with a hand where slam makes with 1 key card (and no heart control)

[rogerclee]

1S, 2C, 2H, 2N, 3S all normal

4C is an overbid but not totally ridiculous, given that he could have a lot of hands with a singleton spade, his hand is actually okay in context, but it is still not enough with 9xx of hearts and no trick source (hearts are a huge liability). Some people seem to think 4C here promises a lot, I think the standard minimum for this is a fully working 13 count with Hx in your suit.

4D normal, 4S normal

4N is also a pretty huge stretch, there are almost no hands where responder could not bid 4H where slam is good.

The rest of the auction is normal.

So to me each person made a significant stretch, and the 6412 hand is a little more to blame.

[jdonn]

Disagree with roger, 4♣ is totally ridiculous.

[campboy]

rogerclee, on Jul 23 2010, 01:14 AM, said:

4N is also a pretty huge stretch, there are almost no hands where responder could not bid 4H where slam is good.

The rest of the auction is normal.

There are some hands where slam is good -- probably not enough to justify bidding on, admittedly -- but essentially all of them have two key cards, as manudude says. So the 5♦ was much worse than the 4NT.

[mike777]

Ai Hao, on Jul 22 2010, 02:28 PM, said:

How many wrong bids?

EW pass throughout

  N  --  S
1♠-2♣(GF)
2♥-2NT
3♠-4♣(slammish cuebid)
4♦-4♠
4NT-5♣
5♦-6♣(♣K♠Q)
6♠--

North hand:
♠AK8762
♥AT83
♦Q
♣65

South hand:
♠QJ
♥962
♦A432
♣KQ83

so many but start with 2c..........see 1nt.....

do you really get to 6s after 1s=1nt?