BBO Discussion Forums: Spades! - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

Spades! On an airplane...

#1 User is offline   Hanoi5 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 4,083
  • Joined: 2006-August-31
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Santiago, Chile
  • Interests:Bridge, Video Games, Languages, Travelling.

Posted 2009-October-15, 16:23

All white, it goes:

1 Pa 1 ???

You hold:

KJ95432
T73
---
T53

What's your bid?

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

Besides playing for fun, most people also like to play bridge to win


My YouTube Channel
0

#2 User is offline   Jlall 

  • Follower of 655321
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 3,293
  • Joined: 2008-December-05
  • Interests:drinking, women, bridge...what else?

Posted 2009-October-15, 16:26

I think even in england they wouldn't bid 4S :( 3S seems really normal.
0

#3 User is offline   pooltuna 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,814
  • Joined: 2009-July-23
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Orleans

Posted 2009-October-15, 19:41

Jlall, on Oct 15 2009, 05:26 PM, said:

I think even in england they wouldn't bid 4S :) 3S seems really normal.

An alternative is 2 trying to screw up their 3 level vs game judgment.
"Tell me of your home world, Usul"
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"

"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."

George Bernard Shaw
0

#4 User is offline   655321 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,502
  • Joined: 2007-December-22

Posted 2009-October-15, 20:57

3, I would need some more stuffing in the spade suit to bid 4 on this hand w/w.

pooltuna, on Oct 15 2009, 08:41 PM, said:

An alternative is 2 trying to screw up their 3 level vs game judgment.


Um, no.

If you only bid 2 because you don't think the hand is worth a 3 pre-empt, we disagree on the evaluation of the hand, but not necessarily on the bridge logic.
But if you think the hand is worth 3, and cunningly make a lower preempt to give opponents a different problem, this is wrong. You are just giving them an easier problem (and also making yourself an opponent much in demand).
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
0

#5 User is offline   kenrexford 

  • Brain Farts and Actual Farts Increasing with Age
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,586
  • Joined: 2005-September-21
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Lima, Allen County, North-West-Central Ohio, USA
  • Interests:www.limadbc.blogspot.com editor/contributor

Posted 2009-October-15, 20:59

3.

If I want to screw up their judgment, pass works better than 2.
"Gibberish in, gibberish out. A trial judge, three sets of lawyers, and now three appellate judges cannot agree on what this law means. And we ask police officers, prosecutors, defense lawyers, and citizens to enforce or abide by it? The legislature continues to write unreadable statutes. Gibberish should not be enforced as law."

-P.J. Painter.
0

#6 User is offline   jdonn 

  • - - T98765432 AQT8
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 15,085
  • Joined: 2005-June-23
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Las Vegas, NV

Posted 2009-October-15, 21:06

The way you screw up their judgment is to bid the highest bid possible. But of course that might not be safe, so you bid the highest bid that has the desired level of safety. That is 3 to me here.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
0

#7 User is offline   the hog 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,728
  • Joined: 2003-March-07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Laos
  • Interests:Wagner and Bridge

Posted 2009-October-15, 21:21

3S for me. Seems normal.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
0

#8 User is offline   kenrexford 

  • Brain Farts and Actual Farts Increasing with Age
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,586
  • Joined: 2005-September-21
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Lima, Allen County, North-West-Central Ohio, USA
  • Interests:www.limadbc.blogspot.com editor/contributor

Posted 2009-October-15, 21:42

jdonn, on Oct 15 2009, 10:06 PM, said:

The way you screw up their judgment is to bid the highest bid possible. But of course that might not be safe, so you bid the highest bid that has the desired level of safety. That is 3 to me here.

Obviously 3 is a no-brainer. But, I disagree that the best way to screw up their "judgment" is always to make the highest preempt available.

Passing (strange and stupid though it may be) has the potential of screwing up their judgment more than 2 in my opinion because the opponents are left in the dark as to the layout. Thus, they might bid to the right level but then never play the hand for this wild of a split. They might think somehow that there is no risk to playing one fiamond early for some reason during the play, or something like that.

In SOME situations, preempts obviously can help the opponents a lot. If the opponents reach the right spot anyway, and the preempt did not harm, then the opponents are ahead of the game in the play.

2 is the worst of all options. It minimizes preemption, making the task of reaching the right contract easier, while still providing info for the opponents to use in the play.
"Gibberish in, gibberish out. A trial judge, three sets of lawyers, and now three appellate judges cannot agree on what this law means. And we ask police officers, prosecutors, defense lawyers, and citizens to enforce or abide by it? The legislature continues to write unreadable statutes. Gibberish should not be enforced as law."

-P.J. Painter.
0

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users