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Clubs or Hearts or both
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Posted 2009-September-06, 02:20
How do you enter this auction?
Wayne Burrows
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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Posted 2009-September-06, 02:32
A restrained 4♣.
When I have 7-5 (not 5 spades), I take preference myself.
5♣ at favourable.
When I have 7-5 (not 5 spades), I take preference myself.
5♣ at favourable.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Or the ninth trumph.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Posted 2009-September-06, 02:50
If I have 2NT available to show clubs and hearts, it seems odd not to use it.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-September-06, 06:32
Cascade, on Sep 6 2009, 03:20 AM, said:
Scoring: IMP
(1♦) ?
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How do you enter this auction?
2NT should do the job
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Posted 2009-September-06, 08:35
2nt doesnt seem right for 75
2♣, but what do I know.
2♣, but what do I know.
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Posted 2009-September-06, 08:36
I think the clubs are too weak to play in hearts, obviously partner might show otherwise, but I'd like to play clubs a priori, at least if opponents are competing in spades.
But opponents might not be competing and partner might be strong, burying the hearts might be a big issue if you have 3 aces to lose or alike.
Enough analysis to come to the conclusion that I have no clue of what to bid lol. I will try 2NT, wich lets me bid 5♣ over 4♠ later.
But opponents might not be competing and partner might be strong, burying the hearts might be a big issue if you have 3 aces to lose or alike.
Enough analysis to come to the conclusion that I have no clue of what to bid lol. I will try 2NT, wich lets me bid 5♣ over 4♠ later.
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Posted 2009-September-06, 09:33
2NT (planning to bid 5♣ subsequently) or 5♣
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2009-September-06, 10:16
2NT! ... The added length in the weak Cl suit may make it easier ( fewer ruffs ) to set up
when Hts are trumps.
when Hts are trumps.
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Posted 2009-September-06, 10:28
My first knee jerk was to perpetrate 2NT, but Oleberg seems right.
"Bidding Spades to show spades can work well." (Kenberg)
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Posted 2009-September-06, 10:41
What's wrong with wait and see?
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Posted 2009-September-06, 11:04
I like 2N and the more clubs plan.
I'm curious if the 4♣ bidders are moving over 4♠.
I'm curious if the 4♣ bidders are moving over 4♠.
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Posted 2009-September-07, 01:34
2NT. I'd rather describe 10 cards than just 6, especially with a good 5 card heart suit. Bidding 2♣ will often miss the hearts if it goes (1♦)-2♣-(2♠)-p-(4♠).
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Posted 2009-September-07, 04:34
Phil, on Sep 7 2009, 05:04 AM, said:
I like 2N and the more clubs plan.
I'm curious if the 4♣ bidders are moving over 4♠.
I'm curious if the 4♣ bidders are moving over 4♠.
I am worried that partner will play me for a better hand if I bid Michaels then take another free bid.
Wayne Burrows
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
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Posted 2009-September-07, 05:12
dake50, on Sep 6 2009, 06:41 PM, said:
What's wrong with wait and see?
almost nothing is wrong with that except that you gain nothing and lose a lot.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2009-September-08, 13:29
2nt is way better. Not close at all.
I think any overcall that show defensive strenght is wrong because if opps reached 4S and partner double (a likely scenario) we are going to be forced to bid 5C wich might be a terrible decision.
If you bid michaels and opps reached 4S and partner X you have an easy pass and if he doesnt you have an easy 5C (you would bid 4Nt with equal lenght)
I think any overcall that show defensive strenght is wrong because if opps reached 4S and partner double (a likely scenario) we are going to be forced to bid 5C wich might be a terrible decision.
If you bid michaels and opps reached 4S and partner X you have an easy pass and if he doesnt you have an easy 5C (you would bid 4Nt with equal lenght)
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Posted 2009-September-08, 13:41
2nt = 10 .
Any number of ♣ = 0; How is prd. supposed to make any inteligent decisions if you start by hiding the ♥ suit?
Any number of ♣ = 0; How is prd. supposed to make any inteligent decisions if you start by hiding the ♥ suit?
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Posted 2009-September-08, 13:50
fachiru, on Sep 8 2009, 02:41 PM, said:
2nt = 10 .
Any number of ♣ = 0; How is prd. supposed to make any inteligent decisions if you start by hiding the ♥ suit?
Any number of ♣ = 0; How is prd. supposed to make any inteligent decisions if you start by hiding the ♥ suit?
Intelligent? I thought you knew? When we are masterminding we bid partner's hand for him!!!!
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."
George Bernard Shaw
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Posted 2009-September-08, 13:55
If you follow the 2N, followed by clubs plan, are you expecting partner to know that your clubs are significantly better? As partner, I'm not sure that I'd get the message - though perhaps I should.
Presumably, 2N followed by more NT would be two suits of equal length.
So what do you do with longer hearts? Hearts followed by NT presumably.
Just wondering...
Presumably, 2N followed by more NT would be two suits of equal length.
So what do you do with longer hearts? Hearts followed by NT presumably.
Just wondering...
Not an expert, just a student of the game
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Posted 2009-September-10, 06:50
Cascade, on Sep 7 2009, 11:34 AM, said:
Phil, on Sep 7 2009, 05:04 AM, said:
I like 2N and the more clubs plan.
I'm curious if the 4♣ bidders are moving over 4♠.
I'm curious if the 4♣ bidders are moving over 4♠.
I am worried that partner will play me for a better hand if I bid Michaels then take another free bid.
I think 2NT then bidding clubs just shows extra distribution - this hand in fact. To show strength one would need to cue-bid or double on the next round.
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Posted 2009-September-10, 07:57
Cascade, on Sep 7 2009, 05:34 AM, said:
Phil, on Sep 7 2009, 05:04 AM, said:
I like 2N and the more clubs plan.
I'm curious if the 4♣ bidders are moving over 4♠.
I'm curious if the 4♣ bidders are moving over 4♠.
I am worried that partner will play me for a better hand if I bid Michaels then take another free bid.
If we are bidding 2N and 4♣, then well, we have a 9-trick hand and are bidding a 10-trick contract, doesn't sound so far off does it? If we have to bid 5♣ over their 4♠, then partner will see the auction too and know that we may be saving.
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