[ONEferBRID]

( 1D ) - 2D! - ( p ) - ??

Your hand:
A
K Q J 8 7
A x
A Q J T 9

your bid.

[pooltuna]

ONEferBRID, on Sep 9 2009, 11:13 AM, said:

( 1D ) - 2D! - ( p ) - ??

Your hand:
A
K Q J 8 7
A x
A Q J T 9

your bid.

The question is what should partner bid over your 3♦ bid? IMM only the shorter of ♦/♣ seems to make sense. Failing that I bid 6♥

[ArtK78]

Without any ironclad agreements as to the meaning of 3♦ and the follow-up calls, I believe that the practical call is 6♥.

[cherdanno]

3♦ of course. Giving up on a grand seems silly. Over the expected 3♠ I bid rkcb, followed by 6H or 7H.

[pooltuna]

cherdanno, on Sep 9 2009, 01:26 PM, said:

3♦ of course. Giving up on a grand seems silly. Over the expected 3♠ I bid rkcb, followed by 6H or 7H.

why should partner bid 3♠ over your 3♦ bid? he has already told you 10 of his cards what would be more useful would be to know which suit is the shortest.

[Fluffy]

2NT is the strong bid for me, that's what I'd do. If having just one bid it would be 6♥, but I'd rather bid 7 than 4.

[cherdanno]

pooltuna, on Sep 9 2009, 01:42 PM, said:

cherdanno, on Sep 9 2009, 01:26 PM, said:

3♦ of course. Giving up on a grand seems silly. Over the expected 3♠ I bid rkcb, followed by 6H or 7H.

why should partner bid 3♠ over your 3♦ bid? he has already told you 10 of his cards what would be more useful would be to know which suit is the shortest.

Because 3D is not forcing to game and he probably has a minimum for his bid.

[Cascade]

1. What is the vulnerability?

2. What is the agreement for strength of Michaels?

These things are relevant for deciding how high to aim.

Without that information I am aiming for at least 6♥ partner will have ♥A at least 5/8; the ♣K a small amount of the time; a doubleton (or longer) club and the ♣K will be onside a very small amount of the time; a singleton (or shorter) club and the ruffing finesse will work reasonably often. After that we still need something reasonable to happen in spades - this one is the most dependent on partner's strength with good spades this should be very little problem; with bad spades we are likely to be still a favourite being able to cope most of the time there is a 4=3 spade break.

[pooltuna]

cherdanno, on Sep 9 2009, 02:32 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Sep 9 2009, 01:42 PM, said:

cherdanno, on Sep 9 2009, 01:26 PM, said:

3♦ of course. Giving up on a grand seems silly. Over the expected 3♠ I bid rkcb, followed by 6H or 7H.

why should partner bid 3♠ over your 3♦ bid? he has already told you 10 of his cards what would be more useful would be to know which suit is the shortest.

Because 3D is not forcing to game and he probably has a minimum for his bid.

so are you saying 3♠ shows a minimum?

[gnasher]

I usually play 2NT as invitational+ with heart suppose and 3♦ as invitational+ with spade support. That agreement would work well here. I could set trumps at a low level and force partner to cue-bid his minor-suit shortage. If he showed a singleton club, I'd check for keycards and bid six or seven - ♣K is overwhelmingly likely to be on my left.

[ONEferBRID]

ONEferBRID, on Sep 9 2009, 11:13 AM, said:

( 1D ) - 2D! - ( p ) - ??

Your hand:
A
K Q J 8 7
A x
A Q J T 9

your bid.

Lot's of good ideas here.
About a third of the field just blasted to 6H which made.
The concern of one Advancer was partner's shape they didn't have the necessary tools for "asking" or replying.

Like gnasher, he felt the ♣K rated to be on his left.... and it was, but he didn't know if partner had shortness there or in Diam.

One fellow, vlastik, shared his "homegrown" treatment which would have worked perfectly here:

2NT! would ask for the singleton with the following replies:
3m = singleton
4M = 6 carder in (6 5 ) 1 1 and
4m = void in 5 5 ( 3 0 ) or (6 5 ) ( 2 0 )

Overcaller's hand:
J T 8 7 x x
T 9 x x x
K
x

IMPs white vs red
My follow up question is what form of RKC should be used next ?

2NT! - 4S = 6 5 1 1
4NT = 6 Ace RKC without suit agreement, which would not matter here but
might be helpful with a different Advancer hand.

[peachy]

I would think 3D shows equal length in majors. As would 4D. Don't know why I think this... Anyway, I'm driving to slam

[the hog]

ONEferBRID, on Sep 10 2009, 04:28 AM, said:

Overcaller's hand:
J T 8 7 x x
T 9 x x x
K
x

snipped

Overcaller's hand is unbelievable. If I played with a rube like this, (and I wouldn't unless it was an individual), I would just bid 6H. Playing with a regular partner you bid 2NT relay for strength and shape.

[rbforster]

What would 4♦ be by advancer?

[Fluffy]

Rob F, on Sep 10 2009, 05:55 AM, said:

What would 4♦ be by advancer?

pick your game IMO. second choice is splinter.