[glen]

See today's bulletin:
USBF2009news9.pdf

usbf bulletin said:

A Committee: Rose Meltzer, Chairman, David Berkowitz and George Jacobs, met to substantiate the fact that three players broke the smoking rule ...
A fine of $250 per players was imposed to the USBF no later than July 15, 2009. In addition, each player will lose up to 12 Positioning Points earned during the year toward use in the next USBF Open Team Trials.
Further, the Committee recommends establishing these penalties for 2nd and 3rd offenses.
2nd offense - $1,000 fine and a one day suspension from the Event.
3rd offense – a one year suspension from the USBF.

$250 = nothing
12 Positioning Points = ouch!

[kenrexford]

Do you know what the "smoking policy" is?

[uday]

Yes. The event is hosted at a hotel. The hotel has rules ( presumably dictated by local law).

The rule at the hotel is "No smoking in the hotel" and smokers have to exit the premises before lighting up. Thats a flight of stairs and 10 yards out the door.

[Tola18]

Ah, so it is not a clothing rule as could perhaps be presumed?

In some / many events the players are more or less mandatory to have representative clothes - thus in practice - in USA smoking for the men, it Sweden they would escape with a decent suit...

[helene_t]

That's why it's called a tuxedo or a dinner jacket, to avoid confusion

[babalu1997]

kenrexford, on Jun 13 2009, 08:40 AM, said:

Do you know what the "smoking policy" is?

If you are going to smoke, at least have the decency to look good.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3315/319888..._495c649b78.jpg

[Jlall]

Cant wait to find out who the three were. I have some guesses

[xcurt]

Jlall, on Jun 13 2009, 01:23 PM, said:

Cant wait to find out who the three were. I have some guesses

It's in the bulletin.

[Jlall]

xcurt, on Jun 13 2009, 03:04 PM, said:

Jlall, on Jun 13 2009, 01:23 PM, said:

Cant wait to find out who the three were. I have some guesses

It's in the bulletin.

ah. Shane was one of my guesses, but i bricked the others.

[Oof Arted]

I think smokers should wear a bell so we can see and hear the lepers coming

[aguahombre]

IMHO, smokers should follow the rules --rule makers should take accommodation of smokers into consideration -- and non smokers should keep their personal judgements to themselves.

[jdonn]

aguahombre, on Jun 16 2009, 11:52 AM, said:

IMHO, smokers should follow the rules --rule makers should take accommodation of smokers into consideration -- and non smokers should keep their personal judgements to themselves.

Do smokers keep the smoke they exhale to themselves? It seems an equally fair standard.

[JoAnneM]

Yes, don't ever criticize the spreading of second-hand smoke which has been proven to be more lethal than inhaled smoke itself. However, I do sympathize with those trying to beat what is acknowledged to be the worst addiction.

[aguahombre]

jdonn, on Jun 16 2009, 12:03 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Jun 16 2009, 11:52 AM, said:

IMHO, smokers should follow the rules --rule makers should take accommodation of smokers into consideration -- and non smokers should keep their personal judgements to themselves.

Do smokers keep the smoke they exhale to themselves? It seems an equally fair standard.

second-hand smoke is not a "personal judgement", and I, as a smoker, agree that inside smoking, where this could be a factor, should be banned. Given that, reasonable access to an outside location should be afforded whenever possible.

We smokers should follow the rules, whether or not this occurs.

[barmar]

Oof Arted, on Jun 16 2009, 06:37 AM, said:

I think smokers should wear a bell so we can see and hear the lepers coming

Don't you have a nose? That's how I know when they're coming.

[matmat]

barmar, on Jun 17 2009, 09:22 PM, said:

Oof Arted, on Jun 16 2009, 06:37 AM, said:

I think smokers should wear a bell so we can see and hear the lepers coming

Don't you have a nose? That's how I know when they're coming.

I also have a throat -- that's even more sensitive to smoke, at least mine is.


how feasible is it from forbidding an opponent from going on a smoking break, just so you don't have to deal with inhaling all the crap that gets stuck in their clothes?

[uday]

You could offer the opp a stick of nicotine gum, that might tide him over.

[Oof Arted]

uday, on Jun 17 2009, 10:29 PM, said:

You could offer the opp a stick of nicotine gum, that might tide him over.

You could ask TD's to carry a 'Febreeze' spray to sray their Clothes

[Echognome]

I don't smoke myself, but it seems too easy to jump on the anti-smoking bandwagon. I think if you give reasonable accommodation to the smokers, then it's a non-issue. I don't really understand such draconian measures against the smokers myself. I believe there should be some punishment, like fining some IMPs or something, but I think it's a bit harsh to punish people for their addiction. It's not like they are taking a banned substance!

[matmat]

Echognome, on Jun 18 2009, 02:34 AM, said:

I don't smoke myself, but it seems too easy to jump on the anti-smoking bandwagon. I think if you give reasonable accommodation to the smokers, then it's a non-issue. I don't really understand such draconian measures against the smokers myself. I believe there should be some punishment, like fining some IMPs or something, but I think it's a bit harsh to punish people for their addiction. It's not like they are taking a banned substance!

i somewhat disagree -- unless they shower and change their clothes after smoking, they are hurting me.