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The heart suit - I inter-county teams-of-8

Poll: Your call (34 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call

  1. Double (take-out ish, but often passed) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 4NT (two places to play) (4 votes [11.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.76%

  3. 5H (6 votes [17.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.65%

  4. 6H (18 votes [52.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.94%

  5. Other (6 votes [17.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.65%

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#1 User is offline   FrancesHinden 

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Posted 2008-December-01, 03:29

Teams of 8, cross-imps
vul against not
Scoring: IMP

3♠ 3NT 4♠ ?


Depend on your choice of action, there may be a part II
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Posted 2008-December-01, 04:03

The simple and agricultural 6♥ for me.
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Posted 2008-December-01, 04:17

You can't bid 6♥, no idea what partner bid 3NT on (maybe a hand with a long minor!) Also don't hang partner... I will bid 5♥ only.
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Posted 2008-December-01, 05:53

4 NT followed by 5 Heart, hopefully Partner will understand this as Hearts with tolerance for a minor.
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Posted 2008-December-01, 05:56

I like Roland's idea.
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Posted 2008-December-01, 06:15

Systemically, partner should interpret 4NT-then-5H as a serious slam try in hearts.

I didn't suggest that as an option in the poll, because this particular use of 4NT has never been discussed for this auction (after a preempt, take-out double, raise, we play 2/3S dble 4S 4NT...5H as a heart slam try, but it's not discussed after a 3NT overcall).
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Posted 2008-December-01, 09:21

5♥ seems plenty. It's not like I would be bidding on the 5 level with a ton less than this.
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Posted 2008-December-01, 09:29

5♥... I have a lot of losers, especially opposite spades which may be partially wasted.. partner, with a max and working cards can bid... 3N was wide range.
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Posted 2008-December-01, 09:58

6♥

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Posted 2008-December-01, 10:02

I would bid 6♥. I think I would have to very unlucky for it to have no play (KQx xx Qx AQJxxx?), but usually it will be on a finesse or better.
Inviting with 4N won't work unless partner bids 5♣, and over 5♥ partner will hardly ever bid.
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Posted 2008-December-01, 10:08

6H, the opponents may still save us if it is wrong.
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Posted 2008-December-01, 10:10

cherdano, on Dec 1 2008, 11:02 AM, said:

Inviting with 4N won't work unless partner bids 5♣, and over 5♥ partner will hardly ever bid.

I expect him to bid with a singleton heart if his overcall was based on a long minor. But I'm not totally sure, maybe he should just almost automatically pass and expect a weaker hand and better suit? Who knows?
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Posted 2008-December-01, 12:40

5S for me this show a void.

6/7m can easily be a better spot than 6 or 7H.
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Posted 2008-December-01, 12:43

6H, lets go.
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Posted 2008-December-03, 03:57

The call chosen at the table was 6♥.

On reading this discussion (and various other offline lines), I've been persuaded into 5S, ostensible showing two places to play. If partner bids 6m, I pass. If partner bids 5NT asking for a suit, I bid 6H.

As for what happens next:

- If you bid 6♥, partner raises to 7
- If you bid 5♥, partner bids 5♠ and I assume you will now get to 7
- If you bid 5♠, partner bids 5NT and raises 6♥ to 7

As for what happens after that, the other thread is going so well I don't want to interfere yet.
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Posted 2008-December-03, 11:13

Really surprised 5♠ wasnt a listed choice. I choose other and bid 5S.
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Posted 2008-December-03, 11:35

bid_em_up, on Dec 3 2008, 05:13 PM, said:

Really surprised 5♠ wasnt a listed choice. I choose other and bid 5S.

As you may have noticed I eventually decided 5S was the right bid, so it is a bit surprising it wasn't listed.
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Posted 2008-December-03, 18:01

Seems to me that 4NT is natural in this auction. Why should it be anything else? Partner can assume you have short spades and a source of tricks otherwise you would just dbl most of the time. In my partnerships I have a rule that if you could Q bid the opps suit on the way to slam and didn't you don't have first round control.
Given that I would bid 5S. This hand is good enough to play slam most of the time and you have the added vig that the opps might save.( perhaps I shoulda checked vulnerbility and type of game before answering. Oh well) . If partner tosses it back to me with 5nt I am bidding 6H
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