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Aceless monster how to bid with BBO pickup

#1 User is offline   manudude03 

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Posted 2008-November-07, 17:32

Scoring: XIMP


Partner (intermediate in profile) opens 1, what's your plan?



If you respond 1, partner rebids 1NT. What now?
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Posted 2008-November-07, 17:35

1. No problem yet.

2 if playing SJS.
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Posted 2008-November-07, 17:47

These "how to bid with a pickup partner" problems are brutal.

So let's see, I'll start with 1 because my pickup partner might pass 2 thinking it's weak.

Over my partner's 1NT, I would worry that partner would pass any bid I make. I guess to bid 2 and hope that partner plays that as forcing (even better if partner plays that as artificial and game forcing). But everything is a guess of course.
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Posted 2008-November-07, 17:52

I would bid 4C and go to slam opposite 3 and stop in 4 opposite 2. Not very pretty but I think slam rates to be good opposite 3 aces (HA is not useless), and rates to be bad opposite 2 aces, and further I don't feel like I will ever have a confident auction that produces better results than that since we don't know what we play.
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Posted 2008-November-07, 17:59

I would sign off in 4
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Posted 2008-November-07, 18:02

rogerclee, on Nov 7 2008, 03:52 PM, said:

I would bid 4C and go to slam opposite 3 and stop in 4 opposite 2. Not very pretty but I think slam rates to be good opposite 3 aces (HA is not useless), and rates to be bad opposite 2 aces, and further I don't feel like I will ever have a confident auction that produces better results than that since we don't know what we play.

Assuming Gerber... Nice!
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Posted 2008-November-07, 18:02

1
followed by 4 over partners 1NT
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Posted 2008-November-08, 01:39

1 followed by 2 GF relay
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Posted 2008-November-08, 01:55

Playing with a BBO pick-up? 1S then 4S. I'm not going to bid anything else to avoid confusion.
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Posted 2008-November-08, 05:27

4 NT. Winner takes all.
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Posted 2008-November-08, 08:42

I wish I could bid 1 here in some ways to find out about s and potential wastage there. However, after the inevitable 1 bid I would bid 3 as a pretend suit and then make it up as I go along from there.

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Posted 2008-November-08, 12:02

2 usually followed by either a bid in or a plaintive cry of "surely WJS aren't standard?!"
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Posted 2008-November-09, 18:56

I ended up taking Jikl's route and ended up taking a risk and blasting 6C, only to see partner run at the first sign of X :lol:. After that, things didn't exactly get prettier. Don't remember partner's hand exactly (and I left before the bloodshed began), but it was something like:

Scoring: XIMP

1-(P)-1-(P)
1NT-(P)-3-(P)
3NT-(P)-6-(X)
6-(P)-6-(X)
6NT-(P)-P-(X)
AP


6 black are decent slams, but go off with clubs being 4-0.
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Posted 2008-November-09, 21:18

manudude03, on Nov 9 2008, 07:56 PM, said:

I ended up taking Jikl's route and ended up taking a risk and blasting 6C, only to see partner run at the first sign of X :unsure:. After that, things didn't exactly get prettier. Don't remember partner's hand exactly (and I left before the bloodshed began), but it was something like:

<!-- NORTHSOUTH begin --><table border=1> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td>Dealer:</td> <td> North </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Vul:</td> <td> N/S </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Scoring:</td> <td> XIMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table border='1'> <tr> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> x </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> QJxx </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> AJx </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> A8xxx </td> </tr> </table> </th> </tr> <tr> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> KQJT98 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td>  </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> KTx </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> KQ97 </td> </tr> </table> </th> </tr> </table> </td> <td> 1-(P)-1-(P)
1NT-(P)-3-(P)
3NT-(P)-6-(X)
6-(P)-6-(X)
6NT-(P)-P-(X)
AP </td> </tr> </table><!-- NORTHSOUTH end -->

6 black are decent slams, but go off with clubs being 4-0.

The 3 bid sounded too much like a 5-5. 2, then bidding clubs, then bidding 6 would probably stop partner converting to diamonds - as well as indicating your heart shortage if 2 was natural, stopping partner from running to NT.
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Posted 2008-November-10, 05:31

Sorry but 6NT makes no sense from partner. That said, neither does 3.
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Posted 2008-November-10, 09:37

manudude03, on Nov 9 2008, 07:56 PM, said:

I ended up taking Jikl's route and ended up taking a risk and blasting 6C, only to see partner run at the first sign of X :(. After that, things didn't exactly get prettier. Don't remember partner's hand exactly (and I left before the bloodshed began), but it was something like:

Scoring: XIMP

1-(P)-1-(P)
1NT-(P)-3-(P)
3NT-(P)-6-(X)
6-(P)-6-(X)
6NT-(P)-P-(X)
AP


6 black are decent slams, but go off with clubs being 4-0.

First of all: There is no reason for leaving, if I had
a partner, who would bid like this and left, he would
be finished for me.
I can stand misunderstandings, I can stand errors,
but I cant stand it, if the guy makes problematic bids
and runs afterwards.

That said, 6 NT is stupid, 3D ill advised.

With kind regards
Marlowe
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